I mean sure you can disagree with whatever you think the values are, but are you really trying to present it like liberalism isn’t a social movement? Why would the whole divisive OP meme even exist if that weren’t at least widely perceived to be the case?
Liberalism presently isn’t a serious movement… sorry to break this to you. The current presentation of liberalism is a hollow shell of the actual ideology - it’s branding.
Look I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty confused as to what your point is. You’ve started this by implying my ideology is only ‘mocking people I disagree with’, then now you’re professing you align with the principles of liberal social movements.
Non-mocking question I swear: Is this because the term ‘liberal’ is often used to describe Democrats (obviously including by themselves)?
Liberalism is as dead as Latin. Suppose I could speak Latin fluently and knew a few people who also could - it doesn’t make it any more alive.
Liberalism amounts to vaguely supporting good things while watching democracy and consent-based governance die - and doing absolutely nothing meaningful to change the trajectory. Self-identified liberals blaming/shaming/mocking individuals to the left of them (who are closer ideologically to them than they realize) is what is dividing the left and is an extremely common behavior in online discourse.
And this is why you don’t have allies.
Oh noooo, guys we lost primrosepath, better pack it in, movement’s over
What movement? Pretending like you want real change and acting like you give a shit while mocking people that you disagree with online?
I mean sure you can disagree with whatever you think the values are, but are you really trying to present it like liberalism isn’t a social movement? Why would the whole divisive OP meme even exist if that weren’t at least widely perceived to be the case?
Liberalism presently isn’t a serious movement… sorry to break this to you. The current presentation of liberalism is a hollow shell of the actual ideology - it’s branding.
So it is a social movement, just not one you agree with. Why? What ideology is it even supposed to be a hollow shell of?
No, you misunderstand. I agree with the vast majority of liberal principles, people are just masquerading with its labelling to gatekeep progress.
I’m more liberal than the most notable liberals. Why? Because the term has been co-opted.
Look I’m going to be honest, I’m pretty confused as to what your point is. You’ve started this by implying my ideology is only ‘mocking people I disagree with’, then now you’re professing you align with the principles of liberal social movements.
Non-mocking question I swear: Is this because the term ‘liberal’ is often used to describe Democrats (obviously including by themselves)?
Liberalism is as dead as Latin. Suppose I could speak Latin fluently and knew a few people who also could - it doesn’t make it any more alive.
Liberalism amounts to vaguely supporting good things while watching democracy and consent-based governance die - and doing absolutely nothing meaningful to change the trajectory. Self-identified liberals blaming/shaming/mocking individuals to the left of them (who are closer ideologically to them than they realize) is what is dividing the left and is an extremely common behavior in online discourse.