• Aurelian@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Situations like this is why countries need to setup safe immigration routes.

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        Sure everyone wants their own personal castle.

        I just think people can just have some slightly less nice things, maybe instead of buying a f150 truck get a small utility vehicle, stuff like that.

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          As somebody who also is on the fuckcars train, how the fuck did you manage to get on that topic in a response to my comment lol

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          I just think people can just have some slightly less nice things, maybe instead of buying a f150 truck get a small utility vehicle, stuff like that.

          How to tell me you’re a dumb american that doesn’t know Europe without telling me you’re a dumb american that doesn’t know Europe.

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            xD wow you think I’m American, you are extremely cold my friend.

            I am a South African who recently ran away to the Netherlands to avoid constant load shedding and rich with sollar panels.

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            Yeah I believe you are a European. Go ahead and tell us what you think of other groups of people. I would say limit it to the places that your ancestors enslaved but that would be everyone.

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          I think you have a big image of how people in rixh countries live. Most people dont live in big houses, most people dont own trucks. Sure the average person has more things than an averga person in a poor country, but the average person is not going to sacrifice their small luxuries, so people from poor countries come to live with them, especially if the people coming dont have studies and are just going to be living frol the government’s money.

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            I’m in no way saying the average person should have to sacrifice anything, the problem is that is exactly what your currently being force to do by the people above you.

            Just think of how many people could literally be housed for life with the money spent on Jeffs latest yacht he sailed out of Amsterdam.

            Where talking orders of magnitude difference between the average person and the rich never mind those who are desperately trying to escape.

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            are just going to be living frol the government’s money.

            not a thing XD

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              Read about countries social systems. You will learn a thing or two and then you wont speak without knowing

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          “HEY HEY HEY we pillaged all this stuff , that took centuries, now you want it back?!?!?!? the nerves of these people!”

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          And maybe you can let some homeless person sleep under your roof. Solidarity right? Help everyone who has less than you.

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          For the commenter I replied to? Yeah, their premise made no sense: people won’t do things they don’t want to and have no incentive to do.

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      Spain already has a large immigrant population. And is accepting of refugees too.

      If given the choice to freely immigrate to the developed world, what percentage of the billion of people in poverty in Africa would choose to do so?

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      There are. I moved from a third world country to a rich country without problems. I have now a safe job and I contribute back to society. No need to risk my life in a boat.

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        I wouldn’t say I did it with no problems but you can certainly do it, as long as you have everything align for you and you have what ever the people in power want 🙂

        I lucked out but many of my friends have no such opertunity.

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          These people in power are NOW the people in charge of making the country where you live better. Its not they vs us.

          I sometimes donate to my home country and/or promote touristic places fromy my country. What do you do to help people from your home country, other than expecting others to open easier immigration routes?

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            And those people where also the same people that exploited where I come from.

            It’s honestly pretty ironic that the home of the Dutch is where I ran away too.

            On my end I do what ever I can, mostly education, I’m currently working on mentoring contacts back home in technical skills to hopefully give them a leg up ⁠_⁠

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        Fucking lucky you mate, want a gold star?

        For many people it’s not safe enough to stay where they are why they wait the 10-20 years it takes for the “official” route to let them in.

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          You want a consolation prize?

          It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries. The rich countries are accepting a lot of people, and there are routes for same immigration. These countries cannot take everyone and anyone, or else they would collapse. Its not hard to understand.

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            It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries

            in a lot of cases it LITERALLY is.

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            It’s not the rich countries fault that for many people its not safe in their countries.

            Care to point out which current unsafe country doesn’t have it’s recent history involving Europeans fucking them over?

            Also rich countries take a pittance in compared to countries neighbouring conflicts, where’s your concern about sharing the load there? Rich countries can do far, far, far more than they are without collapsing.

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              Oh one country worth mentioning is the Philippines, they got fucked over by the Americans instead XD

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              Your first comment made me think I would not agree with you but you have won me over.

              I come from South Africa and watching the Dutch and the amount of resources that goes to just cleaning up from a single town party it’s clear that so much more can be done.

              Third world countries aren’t under developed they are overly exploited.

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              Care to point out which current unsafe country doesn’t have it’s recent history involving Europeans fucking them over?

              Thailand? The only country that was never ruled by the west or in the west. Still very poor but you did ask and I answered.

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      How about we place a safe route for uncontrolled immigrantion right around where you live? See the problem now?

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        I’m a South African who has used every ounce of privilege I could to escape to the Netherlands.

        100% I don’t deserve it I have so many friends back in South Africa, some who have doctorates that would be way more deserving than me.

        I am only here due to being privvilaged enough that I could run away while affording all the complications that come from immigrating.

        Where I come from we have a ton of uncontrolled immigration, it’s only dangerous is you don’t look after the desperate people who need help and especially dangerous when you try isolate them.

        When your neighbour is suffering it doesn’t matter how big your wall if you will suffer along with them.

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          I really doubt that PhDs have any trouble immigrating legally to any developed country using the existing channels. I did it years ago with just a University degree and some work experience.

          What I’m absolutely opposed to is uncontrolled immigration where anybody who feels like it comes to my country. In the same way that I don’t let strangers come to my home without my permission.

          When my neighbor is suffering, I address that problem through means other than inviting them to my bedroom.

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          Exactly what I’m saying.

          The best thing is most developed countries are suffering from an aging population, they actually need the immigrants, without them long term the country has a downward spiral coming.

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            Yeah, nah mate. We’ll just get robots to wipe our asses as we go full Wall-E while the rest of the world burns.

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            Maybe they should die. Really, think about it. The rich countries do everything they can to rest on their previous accomplishments and cut off any future growth. Regardless of what it does to their own young. Spoiled rotten, unable to do anything except teardown what they can’t build.

            If westerns can’t fuck to save themselves from extinction and can’t even stand the idea that they might meet someone of a slightly different background then let them die off.

            Don’t forget we are all going to be millionaires selling each other Bitcoin.

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            There is a huge difference between uncontrolled immigration, where anybody who wants to get in does, and controlled immigration where the host country decides who gets in and under what conditions.

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        Go right ahead. My area is full of old people living in plastic McMansions, driving trucks they don’t need, eating at franchise places that serve microwaved crap. I would love to see the types of communities and commerence here as I did in southeast Asia.

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          I want to let people in who will contribute to our social system more than they take from it. This is achieved through a selective process, not by opening the doors to whoever wants to live here. That simple.

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            I mean convenient for you after we got everything from them without giving anything back.

            Now we sit on their stuff being like “you can come,you can’t” based on out made up definition of useful? XD pretty fucking convenient

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              I am an immigrant myself. I followed the law. I did everything I was asked to do. Excuse me if I’m indignant at the idea of other people getting in illegally after all the effort and years it took me.

              “How fucking convenient”.

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                It doesn’t mean shit. You had the means clearly. Other people don’t.

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                  “How fucking convenient” that they think the laws don’t apply to them.

                  “How fucking convenient” they get to pick and choose which country to live in, instead of the other way around.

                  “How fucking convenient” that you move the goalposts as you are proven wrong.

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        ah yes go talk about personal responsibility to people in countries that have been fucked by western powers XD