• the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world
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    Setting aside for the moment that it is a much better idea to just stop using windows. One of Microsofts arguments for why you shouldn’t continue using Windows 10 is because it will stop being updated and will soon be insecure and get inundated with malware, adware, spyware ect. But Windows 11 already comes preinstalled with all of that so what difference does it make?

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      You’re delusional if you think Microsoft’s preinstalled crap is at all comparable to what hackers will do with a vulnerable PC.

      Also this feature in particular is only for AI PCs which your Win10 PC probably won’t upgrade to.

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    For the folks saying install Linux keep in mind you can indirectly be captured by this feature.

    For example if you’re playing an online video game you’ll be captured or your chat messages in your messaging app.

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        You can’t convince 99% of windows users to switch, the real solution is done via legislation. The force of a government is more powerful any boycotts you can muster. (For example: European Union has been passing a regulations on right to repair, do privacy laws next)

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          Why not both? As Linux achieves more and more momentum, you are bound to see real change in how Microsoft treats its users.

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          Legislation is a poor way to force populations into changing away from something they choose to do/use. As the saying goes “It’s hard to talk someone out of something they weren’t talked into”.

          Example: See France or Somalia

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            In this case the legislation would be used to ban recall and similar features, not to drive people away from windows.

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      That’s pretty easily avoidable, too. Don’t play online games, or talk to people. That’s what I do.

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        And Linux will actively help you avoid doing both of those things.

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      man with gaping wound in his skull pissed that people keep suggesting he go to a hospital.

      “Just like I told you, insufferable hospital maxxis, I swear!”

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        More like:

        Man broken down on the side of the road pissed at people in cars yelling “should have bought a Toyota!” as they drive by.

        Does it matter? No. Is it annoying? Yes.

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        You’re seeing insufferable people who also happen to use Linux, as insufferable people also like to be early adopters so they can say they are different and therefore better.

        There are plenty of super helpful people in the community, and Linux is well past the early adopter phase. The transition from Windows is smoother than it has ever been.

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          Man they must really hate the mass uptake. Makes them less special with every install.

          (I keed, we all know they identity politic with the distros instead)

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        Yes, a lot of Linux users are insufferable, but there are also people willing to help in a nice and normal manner …

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        I think the Doctor Who fanbase is the actual worst out of all fanbases but I still like watching the show. you don’t have to participate in the community if you want to use something. I use Linux but I’m not wearing thigh high socks and sitting in the Arch discord all day.

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            yes when I installed Arch a week later a pair of stockings showed up in the mail oddly enough.

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          Unfortunately my experiences with linux tell me that i will have to engage with the community, because there will be shit i need to look up and fix fairly often.

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        “I won’t use this thing, because fans of this thing are annoying.” The willingness of people to cut off their nose to spite their face never fails to amaze me.

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      Linux is great and all and I use it on several of my machines.

      And if lay person just needs a computer to do basic things, internet, social media, stream, watch multimedia and the like it’s a great system. I have it on my multimedia PC we use only for entertainment consumption and my grammas laptop where she only watches streaming videos on.

      But if someone needs it for anything else, graphic design gaming productivity development it’s much, much more difficult to use. I’m not saying it’s impossible but it’s much harder than just installing an exe on Windows and calling it a day.

      And that’s unfortunately the catch with Linux is that it’s significantly less convenient to use than Windows.

      For me personally when Windows 10 reaches its end of life I’m going to have to dule boot for regular computer usage to Linux and for gaming on windows 11. Something I really don’t want to do because all I want to do is just turn my computer onand be able to use it I don’t want to switch between operating systems but I realize that Windows 11 will be a privacy nightmare.

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        You do realize that most Steam games now work on the next natively correct? It’s true, not all do, but a lot of them do.

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    “How to disable this opt in feature”: “don’t turn it on”

    I get that Lemmy is a bastion for M$ hate but FUD articles get annoying.

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      Also it’s only for AI Windows which requires an AI chip. Considering how anti-AI the fediverse is, I doubt any of the people here would be getting AI Windows in the first place. It’s a non-issue for the users here already from the get-go at the requirements.

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    Just switch to Linux.

    This is like saying “put some salve on the wrists where the shackles are binding you”. For fucks sake just walk away from the abusive computing relationship.

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    Does the prnhub trick still work? Recall detecting nudity on the screen and stop capturing.

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      So just putting as background one random nude pic do the job ?

      I was hoping that they learned something from the time the protection on audio CDs was just that they were not read from the PC because the first track had invalid data (while it was ignored by a stereo) was defeat by a simple marker, which make the PC just ignore the track… I think I still have one of this CD somewhere…

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        Nah, the background isn’t visible at all times. Need one of those desktop strippers that would walk-in over the system tray and start dancing naked in the corner of your screen.

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          I just looked up VirtuaGirl, and apparently it’s still a thing. Looks like someone even had it running through wine several years ago.

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        It might do.

        But I won’t test it. I would have to start Windows 11.

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    I seem to remember the feature was opt-in, right?

    I’d check, but this hasn’t made it to my Copilot+ PC, despite all the fuss.

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        Not how it’s worked with the rest of these features, for the record. I did get click-to-do, which is activated by default (but does nothing unless you trigger it manually). That’s just an entry in their increasingly large wall of “stuff you don’t want switches” in the Settings.

        It’s immensely wasteful in terms of dev time, but at the same time, hey, kudos for having all this stuff centralized in the one list, unwieldy as it’s getting (at least there’s a search in there).

        I wish we could talk like adults about these things over here, because there’s a ton of interesting nuance to how Windows 11 actually works, rather than the parody version that everybody loves to dunk on. There are some actually good features and choices I’d like to see make the jump to Linux and vice versa, even discounting things like hardware or software support. But nobody ever wants to have that conversation, it’s all just the dopamine hit chase from rooting for the home team (and/or being contrarian about it).

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          i want to have that conversation, tell me about the good features and choices

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            I’m not sure I buy your motivations, but hey, I can oblige regardless. What, top three small things from Windows I’d like on Linux and the other way around? Windows to Linux first?

            • Hibernation and states across boots. I know people hate Windows power management on laptops, but at least on my last couple of desktops it’s been surprisingly robust. I can come back overnight to the same setup I left open, even if an update ran in the middle. Same windows, tabs, open documents… It even survives booting into Linux and then coming back just fine. KDE is taking some steps in this direction, but they’re a ways away. I hope they progress quickly on it.

            • Scaling and multimonitor. It’s way better than it used to be, but there are still a ton of minor annoyances on Linux. KDE in particular has some issues with icon scaling on vertical taskbars, which you’d think would be easy to fix but have been there for a while now. Other pieces of software still struggle with consistent text and headers, too, especially on multimonitor setups with different fractional scaling. Say what you will about Windows’ look and feel (and I will in a sec), the compositing is super robust and flexible.

            • Mounts! Network mounts in particular and Samba mounts specifically. You just click on them, authenticate and you can mount them as either a folder or a drive right from the context menu. On Linux, Dolphin will give you access to them the same way within itself, but they won’t be mounted to the fs in a predictable way, so it’s fine for copy/pasting stuff but it’s not good if you want to use them as local folders. And Windows will remember those mounts across sessions, authentication included. On Linux you need to edit fstab manually and keep a plaintext copy of your SMB password. It’s just so smooth on Windows.

            So… Linux to Windows next?

            • Just the snappy window movement, man. Linux feels so much lighter than Windows for no good reason. I also really like both Gnome’s more Mac-like desktop and KDE’s default “hold shift to tile” window snapping. Windows used to be the gold standard for window management without going full tiling but I’d say I prefer KDE now.

            • Vertical taskbars/no taskbars. I don’t understand why Windows decided to force the taskbar to the bottom. It’s just absurd for ultrawide screens and inconvenient for tablets and touchscreens, or for screens with burn-in issues. I’d argue KDE overcorrects. You don’t need to have a dozen different docks per desktop, but it’s definitely better than zero options. And the top bar is great for touch and more reliable than sliding from the bottom edge to pop up a hidden taskbar on Windows.

            • Remote desktop everywhere. Gnome in particular has fantastic out-of-the-box support. Windows’ version of this is actually very good, too, but the server is paywalled to the Pro license, which is hard to justify. And hey, I get it, they’re trying to monetize their OS but that’s actually worse, so…

            Now, that was a tangent, but if more people want to share their top 3’s I’ll read them. What the hell.

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      I was wondering why my gaming PC didn’t get the update yet… but then I remembered I installed the EU version of Windows on it… HA!

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        Microsoft is bringing an update to Copilot Vision for Windows Insiders

        Unless you’re in the windows insider program nobody should have this feature yet.