Its not even a question of ethics per se to me. Many people have mentioned it but im not sure how many may not get it. Due process is a right that only works when applied to all. Its the process of discovery and determination to find out what is what. So anyone gets deported who they want if due process is not a thing. One funny thing is when the sactuary state governors were brought to dc one of the better arguments came from the chair of the committee who “grilled” pritzker with something about an illegal immigrant who killed a girl. Its like yeah as a monday morning quarter back your really doing well. It starts as a crime was committed. Due process determines if a suspect likely did it and who they are including citizenship status. Without due process a girl gets killed and a politician points to an undesirable and goes they did it now go kill them or rendition them or whateves.

  • Zombiepirate@lemmy.worldEnglish
    7·
    19 hours ago

    It’s also important to note that the bill of rights doesn’t say it applies to citizens; it refers to people.

    For example:

    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca
      2·
      18 hours ago

      I’ve heard the rights given to people as god given rights by republican types so I don’t think in that regard the government shouldn’t be able to take away what it didn’t give in the first place unless the government can supersede god

      • ViatorOmnium@piefed.socialEnglish
        3·
        18 hours ago

        That would go into Natural Rights theory, which the US Declaration of Independence supports, but the US Constitution explicitly denies by legitimising slavery.

    • HubertManne@piefed.socialOPEnglish
      1·
      18 hours ago

      Oh yeah and I do think it was very intentional as the document does use the term citizen and other terms more specifically. Its part of the reason I think citizens united is an unconstitutional ruling as its giving rights reserved for people.