It was, but the rest of your statement went on to say this is for the purpose of blah blah and putting on your tin foil hat to somehow blame the establishment, any establishment.
It’s decided by the people. If there was a state ballot measure to remove closed primaries and make them open, it would then be up to the people to decide.
There are also multiple types. Blue and red states all do different things and there is no trend.
Are you suggesting that the primary structures came into existence without the support of the parties? Or that the people can somehow rise up and rewrite election rules over the objection of party incumbents? I thought we were having a serious discussion.
US primaries aren’t like France’s two round election system, even in open primary states. California, Washington and Nebraska have a single-ballot “jungle” primary system that’s kind of close (although Nebraska is kind of special because it’s only for non-partisan state legislature races), but most open primaries still list only the candidates of one party - you can’t vote for a (D) in one race and an ® in another. US primaries are supposed to let the parties - which are essentially semi-private clubs - reach consensus on who they run against the other clubs. Having the states run those primaries was supposed to be democratizing and let more people have a voice in their representation, and maybe it even worked that way a hundred years ago. It’s the nature of people to organize themselves into cliques to consolidate and maintain power, and they’ll figure out ways to manipulate any system to do that. The fact that no one votes in primaries - regardless of their structure - makes them an easy lever of manipulation.
There have been ballot measures in the past. I even voted for one when I used to live in Florida. I was even one of the signatures outside the grocery store because they need X thousands of signatures to put it on the ballot. I don’t know why you’re acting like it’s impossible
I now live in Oregon, where it is “closed” but they allow no party affiliated to vote for any. Guess what. The most recent primary had a bunch of other parties.
So again, blame the correct people. There’s plenty of reason to be mad at the GOP or DNC, spreading a lie because you are ignorant to the multiple and different state laws is not one of them.
Clearly, you don’t want to have an actual conversation.
Is that not the second sentence in my original comment?
It was, but the rest of your statement went on to say this is for the purpose of blah blah and putting on your tin foil hat to somehow blame the establishment, any establishment.
It’s decided by the people. If there was a state ballot measure to remove closed primaries and make them open, it would then be up to the people to decide.
There are also multiple types. Blue and red states all do different things and there is no trend.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_primaries_in_the_United_States
Are you suggesting that the primary structures came into existence without the support of the parties? Or that the people can somehow rise up and rewrite election rules over the objection of party incumbents? I thought we were having a serious discussion.
US primaries aren’t like France’s two round election system, even in open primary states. California, Washington and Nebraska have a single-ballot “jungle” primary system that’s kind of close (although Nebraska is kind of special because it’s only for non-partisan state legislature races), but most open primaries still list only the candidates of one party - you can’t vote for a (D) in one race and an ® in another. US primaries are supposed to let the parties - which are essentially semi-private clubs - reach consensus on who they run against the other clubs. Having the states run those primaries was supposed to be democratizing and let more people have a voice in their representation, and maybe it even worked that way a hundred years ago. It’s the nature of people to organize themselves into cliques to consolidate and maintain power, and they’ll figure out ways to manipulate any system to do that. The fact that no one votes in primaries - regardless of their structure - makes them an easy lever of manipulation.
There have been ballot measures in the past. I even voted for one when I used to live in Florida. I was even one of the signatures outside the grocery store because they need X thousands of signatures to put it on the ballot. I don’t know why you’re acting like it’s impossible
I now live in Oregon, where it is “closed” but they allow no party affiliated to vote for any. Guess what. The most recent primary had a bunch of other parties.
So again, blame the correct people. There’s plenty of reason to be mad at the GOP or DNC, spreading a lie because you are ignorant to the multiple and different state laws is not one of them.
Clearly, you don’t want to have an actual conversation.