• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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        experts are trying to convince americans to respond, but we aren’t.

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          Like the French Revolution, it takes a lot for a revolt. Ultimately if faces aren’t seen, it forgotten. As for republicans, if they aren’t white faces; it’s forgotten in a day or two.

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          Lots of us are peacefully protesting and it’s pretty hard for most of us to do anything more than that

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            Well you guys gotta make an effort or you’ll find out first hand the difference between e.g. Ukraine and Russia. Or Taiwan and China

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        Tariffs have doubled the cost of red-lines, as they were sourced in S. E. Asia, processed in a small barely-know penguin island, and packaged in Denmark.

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      The previous dismissals of court orders were injunctions, not rulings. That’s a contempt of court charge, not a constitutional crisis.

      Today were both the first and second rulings he has openly defied. The first was refusing to return Garcia. The second was refusing to allow the AP into the Oval Office to cover the press conference.

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        Right, so NOW we’ll see how things are, or are not, going to work. Next, the military is up. They would need to remove him from office and let new elections run. If not, then it’s up to us, the last line of defense.

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      No, this is probably the first one.

      The previous one where they disobeyed a court order (turning around planes to El Salvador, stopping new planes from taking off) they successfully appealed that court order to where the Supreme Court declared that order void.

      This one (facilitate the return of a wrongfully deported man) is the first one where they’ve just outright refused, and are pretending they can’t comply.

      This is a big deal, and it’s unprecedented, even for Trump. This is the red line, and we’re going to see a full blown constitutional crisis this week if it doesn’t get resolved.

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        I agree in the sense that the way things played out the narrative can be he was right the whole time, so someone inclined to avoid conflict can excuse it, but even if you’re right, you’re still obligated to follow court orders until you successfully get it stayed or appealed. They got a lawful order from a court to turn around flights and just didn’t. The order doesn’t need to be at the end of an appeal to the Supreme Court before it has effect.

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          They got a lawful order from a court to turn around flights and just didn’t. The order doesn’t need to be at the end of an appeal to the Supreme Court before it has effect.

          I know. That was on a collision course for a constitutional crisis then, and then the Supreme Court bailed out Trump by saying the order was invalid, right before the judge was going to hold contempt hearings.

          Now we’re gonna see possible contempt hearings on disobeying an order that was affirmed by the Supreme Court.

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      yeah its like a goalpost redline. Whelp its not really facism until he does x, oh well we are fine unless he gets away with y…