The 1% how much taxes they pay
You’re too generous for not making it a yes/no question
You can tell the poster is American because they blame the government involved for all of these except the US, where they blamed the CIA.
You’re right, as an American I knew the specific government agency that overthrew foreign governments. But I don’t mean to imply that the U.S. government is blameless.
I agree with the sentiment, I was just amused that your bias was showing.
Saying the CIA isn’t indicative of bias
In context it does. That’s how I correctly guessed they were American.
…It really isn’t, but if that’s what you want to tell yourself, I really can’t stop you. It’s still incorrect either way.
They have an American bias because they are American therefore they could be more specific about the American centric piece of information. Your lack of literacy doesn’t change the definition of the word bias.
Silly internet troll, everybody the world over knows about the CIA American or not. But you do you.
I mean the CIA is the us government
No you see it was just a few bad apples.
The CIA is part of the US government.
Don’t ask OP about the use of prepositions
“Was there a massacre in Tiananmen Square?”
—“No.”
“Were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?”
—“…Ermh…”
“Ahem. I am asking you if people were killed in the area immediately surrounding Tiananmen Square, even if nobody was killed in the square itself.”
—“The protesters in Tiananmen Square left after negotiations with the PLA. There was no bloodshed in Tiananmen Square.”
“I understand that, but were people killed elsewhere in Beijing?”
—“Nowhere in Beijing were student protestors specifically targeted.”
“Well, were non-students targeted, and were any students injured or killed without being targeted?”
—“Hey did you know that the Three Gorges Dam is the world’s largest—”
“Gongchandang, my friend, I am begging you.”
—“…Force may have been used when provoked by attacks.”
“May force have also been used unprovoked? Could it have been that the protesters felt like they were provoked first, because you were sending tanks past the barricades that they’d put up?”
—“I mean… you know… uhh…”
“Gongchandang. Were you scared that the occupation of Beijing and the potential of a workers’ revolt would threaten the survival of socialism in China, by presenting a still-socialist alternative to your rule, because societal division particularly among the less politically literate could be (and was) exploited by outside forces?”
—“OUR YOUTH ARE VULNERABLE TO IMPERIALIST PROPAGANDA, OK‽ ALSO, TANK MAN DIDN’T GET RUN OVER. SEE. HE WAS PULLED AWAY BY A PASSERBY. NOT RUN OVER.”
The Australian’s about their treatment of
aboriginesfirst nation AustraliansThe Irish about mother and baby homes.
China about Uyghurs
Russians about Crimea and Donbass
“aborigines” is not a great word to use these days. It’s generally seen as pretty offensive to Indigenous Australians as it’s a bit dehumanising and comes from colinisers who treated people like animals.
Better to go with “First Nations people”, “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people” or “Indigenous Australians.”
But yes, they’ve been treated (and in many cases continue to be treated) pretty horribly.
Thanks. I kinda knew it wasn’t great, but didn’t know the correct term.
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The one that confuses me, is the statement about the Irish.
I guess you could say ask the Catholic church about Irish mother and baby homes. But the meme was doing nations.
Blaming the Catholic Church is a good way to start but the argument that Irish people were led astray by the Church is pretty much the same argument as those who seek to divorce the Wehrmacht from complicity in SS atrocities. In both cases the answer is that they shared vital infrastructure with each other and ranking officials could have stopped the excesses, which they had full knowledge of, if they’d have disagreed with it.
Ask them about their tax avoidance schemes for big tech
australia has much more shit going… like storing asylumseekers in some far away islands
Didn’t a bunch of Muslim countries actually ask China about Uyghurs (and even visit Xinjiang) and they left unanimously content with the response?
should be easy enough for you to provide a legitimate source to this claim.
please note the word “legitimate”
The other reply to this post provides a pretty legitimate source.
But, well, it’s not exactly hard to Google.
I bet they did according to Xi and the CCP, but not in reality.
Even if they did, they’re probably faking it because trade with China is more important to them than human rights, just like the US and Saudi Arabia or the other Western countries and the US…
Never ask a Lemmy user where they’ve hidden the good posts.
The US about indigenous Americans.
Oh wait, they made hundreds of movies about killing them.
I don’t know if I would have used Tiananmen Square.
The Uighur re-education cities seems far more fitting.
Or the invasion of Vietnam… Or the annexation of Tibet… Or the bullying of Southeast Asian countries… Or the great leap forward… Or the communist land reforms… Or the anti counterrevolutionary campaigns
The CCP leaves you no end of really good options to pick here.
Yeah tiananmen is such a meme at this point. You can tell when people base their entire politics on memes and don’t bother reading and searching on their own. Tiananmen is an issue they won’t step mentioning.
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I think the other comment on this thread addressed it pretty well: https://hexbear.net/comment/4003110
I’m pretty skeptical about taking political positions from memes, and when I’ve done my own research on this, I failed to find valid reasons that this issue should get the attention that the Internet gives it. There are many other issues that are worth my attention. This one isn’t.
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Plenty of sources provided in there (ny times, reuters, etc), but if you were the kind to examine evidence, you wouldn’t be here anyways.
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I love how you ignored everything in the article except what could possibly agree with your viewpoint. On your first quote, the link they cite does not exist anymore. In the video you linked, I hear gunshots but don’t see people running away from them. As someone from a country that saw unrest and shooting at protests, I can tell you that people immediately start running when they’re shot at, emptying the area. Not continue to March nonchalantly.
In the end, I want to conclude with saying that I didn’t deny that anyone died (although the comment I linked does seem to imply that. My apologies for not clarifying, as I was only using them to back up my opinion). What I said in the original comment is that it is not an issue worth my attention. I’ve seen and read about so many government rerpression, and this is far from being in the top 10. It’s an unnecessarily magnified issue.
Not even going to click on that, the domain tells me everything I need to know considering the topic we talk about!
I mean, it’s a variety of sourced quotes from respected journalists who were there. You probably should read them all, if only so you can point out to the Hexbears where they mention all the people who died in the area around the Square. The sources mostly say “no one got gunned down literally in the Square.”
In any case, it’s fucking weird to obsess over it. It’s like trying to give Biden crap about the Kent State Massacre while he’s rounding up all the Mormons.
Plenty of evidence cited there from multiple sources. You don’t have to open it, but the evidence is there shall you question it.
Abother user made a very good comment about this under my post, might be worth checking out!
I agree with that commenter. I do not claim that “nothing happened”. I said this in my earlier comments, that I just don’t think it’s a problem worth my attention.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
Sounds like a full blown insurrection.
I knew this was going to be the only one people tried to deny in this thread, but I didn’t figure it would be OP
The Canadian government about the canadian indian residential school system
The Iran government about Salman Rushdie
The Mexican government about Ayotzinapas 43
The British government about their museums
The German government about their car manufacturers.
The Indian government about Aasif Sultan
The Russian government about how much the war in Ukraine should have lasted.
And many more…
Do let me know btw if you know of anymore of this.
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Aded russia
To be fair, Germans largely don’t deny what happened. Being a holocaust denier can even get you into prison. IHMO that is how you should handle such matters.
Meanwhile, denying other genocides gets you a mod spot on lemmy.ml apparently
Yes i know but i couldnt come up with a simmilar example about them. If you know of a better one about Germany do let me know and ill change it. Im being frendly about this btw, sorry if i sound condesending, thats not my intention.
Don’t ask the German government about smog control in diesel cars?
This sounds good, gonna use it.
Should probably be a german company instead of it‘s government
Never ask them where VW produces cars!
Don’t ask the German people what kind of porn is best.
Maybe the point is that not all countries are equally bad and belong on the list
Boy, the museums are really just the very tip of the iceberg for the Brits.
A list about things to not ask them for would be huge.
How a person reacts to being asked about the version of these things most close to them is telling. If they get defensive and deny the event happened, I would hesitate to trust their opinion on other things. Clearly that person bases their opinions on what they want to be true rather than reality. That’s the kind of person whose ideology would likely lead to another event to be ashamed of. If, on the other hand, they admit it was a horrible thing and agree that people should be educated on it and that steps should be taken to prevent it from ever happening again, then I’m more likely to take their opinion seriously and believe that they can be part of the conversations we need to happen to create a better world.
Never forget about the vicious emu war in Australia either, our shameful defeat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
Wales added another shameful australian defeat about 5 hours ago
What do you mean don’t ask the UK about African interment camps?
Our lovely Tory government spent most of last year proud of trying to deport asylum seekers to fucking Rwanda. Like it was some sort of vote winner.
I think it’s unfair to suggest that the UK Government doesn’t like you asking about African internment camps.
They also don’t like you asking about:
- the conditions under which refugees are currently housed, give you a clue it kind of rhymes historically with internment camps
- Various Indian famines that were caused or exacerbated by colonial rule
- role in slave trade. Yes they ended the slave trade… by compensating slave owners. Also started the fucking thing.
- That time we basically stole an entire island from its people to put an airbase there.
- linked to the internment camps, pretty much anything Churchill did prior to the Second World War and after it also.
- the undercover activities of the police investigating environmental groups e.g. having children by the people they were surveilling.
There’s probably several pages of this but I’ve only just woken up.
The British Empire once covered over a quarter of the Earth’s land area. Even the Mongols never managed that.
And by “once”, it’s not ancient history. It was 1920.
It’s horrifying, and we’re almost certainly responsible for more suffering than any other country on Earth, but also kind of impressive. There are just 22 countries we never invaded.
We could also blame UK for the existence of USA
Don’t look at us, it was the Spanish that found it.
Well, after all those people that were already on it, obviously. But they hardly count. They weren’t white. But according to Americans, neither are the Spanish, so…
What about the boers?
And the Kenyans. The English developed concentration camps in South African and used them in Kenya during the Mau Mau rebellion.
I mean they were great as footballers but honestly both don’t cut it as managers
Don’t ask the UK anything about their troubling history with black people or slavery unless it’s to mention that they were one of the first countries to stop making black people property. They get really mad if you mention anything but that.
FTFY: Don’t ask the UK anything about their troubling history
with black peopleUK history with anyone else is better not to be talked about
UK(and friends) drew a lot of very questionable lines on a lot of maps.
Do we fuck
Don’t forget Unit 731 for the imperial Japanese as well.
That shit is vomit inducing, yet no one knows about it
Cursed be my curiosity! I found the Wikipedia article about Unit 731. Not fun at all. 😕
Was about to comment “the germans about ww2” but then remembered that we are quite open about that time. Wouldn’t have made much sense either as there would be no use in evem trying to hide it
“Germany about colonialism” would be a better fit.
Also the german sentiment about WW2 is something that survivors for ever, students in the 60s/70s and antifascists right now fought for / are fighting for. Considering we have parts of the country that vote 30%+ for members of a nazi party the sentiment could shift really fast and atleast from my perspective considerably shifted already
“Denazification” would be another solid choice. For example, the post-war career of Hans Martin Schleyer
Colonialism is not a controversial topic and covered in school books
covered in school books
Thats not really my standard. I would like Germany to actually do stuff like returning stolen cultural goods and paying reperations instead of dodging responsibilty
i think you are wrong here. had colonialism in school…you can talk to ppl about it.
That’s why it’s so abhorrent that voices from the right but not only from the right get louder, that demand an end to the relatively good remembrance culture here in Germany. I hate the: “it was so long ago, it wasn’t us” talking points. It’s the first step towards forgetting, historic revisionism and possibly repeating the things that were done.
Well, we can add French and Brits about Munich agreement.
