who even cares
Lunduke sucks. Let’s have some Judeposting instead
They share some inspiration. Same with Linux/Unix confusion.
About 15 minutes in a terminal trying to do Linux’y things are you get completely disillusioned.
Stop posting Lunduke stuff. This dude sucks and has a long history of sucking.
I’ve come across this person’s face randomly but know nothing about them. Could you help the lazy and tell me why he sucks?
Some dude explained below.
Um…phrasing!
Are we still doing phrasing?
Lmfao. My fucking lead was arguing with me the other day how Linux is Unix. I just said ok after I saw that it was going nowhere.
One or two Linux distros were (are?) UNIX certified, though.
But not the Linux kernel itself.
What would you say determines whether a kernel is a Unix kernel? I believe Linux is as much a Unix kernel as the BSD kernel is, the FreeBSD kernel, the AIX kernel, the System V kernel, etc.
Been there, had that conversation.
chocolate milk comes from brown cows type situation
If it’s not POSIX, it’s POS
Achemm…
GNU Linux
I remember a podcast I used to listen to a long time ago that argued that MS should just make a fork of the Linux kernel and just make the gui work like Windows. Better security and stability, and huge increase in user base with all the normal Linux users seeing it as viable alternative. I thought it was a brilliant idea. Well except Microsoft would likely have figured a way to kill Linux from the inside.
Except for the part where decades’ worth of software no longer runs on Windows.
Hide WINE in the box
Boxed WINE? Disgusting
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Seriously, Microsoft’s absurd level of commitment to backwards compatibility is the entire reason Windows has such staying power. I had to fuck around with things to get a Linux port of a ten year old game running without issues, and it was even the Steam version, but Windows will install and run most twenty year old games right off of the original CD without the user having to do anything at all.
That compatability has been dropping recently, especially for games. Most of my CD games need extra libraries to run now, if they work at all.
I hear this a lot but in production I still see xp/win 7 era PC’s all the time due to comparability issues (half the time still online too :/ )
Maybe its just absurd support for big spenders like the US military?
Seems like the small companies are mostly getting burned by gambling on MS
Right, because Linux definitely can’t run Windows software. Don’t check.
Try to run old soft on windows though😓
That is the literal opposite of what the world needs.
Windows isn’t a bad OS from a purely technical perspective. If Windows were released as FOSS, I would switch to Windows without hesitation.
The full Microsoft XP source code was leaked and is available for anyone on GitHub; not the same, I know, but it’s atleast NT based. I’ve just always wondered why a community never formed to fork it
Because it’s not legal and no one’s going to develop software for XP. Someone could make and sell security patches for it, but the type of person who still runs XP either doesn’t care enough to buy security patches or it’s running some hardware that isn’t connected to the internet.
There are exactly two games released in the past few years that have XP support, but that was more a flex on the part of the developer then catering to the market. HROT and Zortch are those games if you’re curious.
Are you sure it’s not bad from a technical perspective? I saw a story from a former programmer talking about how changes would be made the to the interface in the new settings app that’s trying to replace control panel and the shit was like a horror story.
Mostly because Microsoft tries to maintain backwards compatibility to ridiculous extents, and their customers grew accustomed to it so they kinda rely on it, no ?
Surely it’s less work to maintain security patches for a few prior versions of windows than it is to indefinitely maintain backwards compatibility
Sure, and for home users the backwards compatibility feature only really comes up for people into retro-gaming, but a significant portion of their customer base is government agencies that haven’t updated their software since the '90s. The old hardware is dying, so they need new stuff, and that means something with a new OS to run it, but it also needs to be able to run an ancient program that can only be replaced if some some seventy-something who calls every console a Nintendo can be made to understand why software older than their grandkids isn’t the best thing to have, and they might need to introduce and pass a bill to get it done, not to mention budgeting to commission a company to code the replacement.
You could keep the kernel tho while changing the gui
The windows kernel isn’t all that great, particularly in the realm of memory security or scheduling.
You know, to each their own. Question is really whether windows maintaining a closed source kernel even makes sense from a maintenance burden perspective when it really doesn’t give them much money in return. (Most of their money in 2025 comes from cloud services, not operating systems)
Rumors (Yes, just rumors, I know) have it that MS is working on a shim to be able to just use the Linux kernel under the hood. That’s what spawned WSL. It is a side effect of the work to get the shim between the Win64 userland and Linux kernel. The shim will probably be a temporary thing, until all the ABIs are done.
maybe, but there are also things it arguably does better than Linux, e.g. user access control
(If you can still find this story, I’d be very interested in it, please do link to it here.)
Thank you arse assassin
yeah I know, far from production-ready though
That is the fun part 😏
I had forgotten about this!! I’ll have to start up a VM this morning to check it out.
For those who don’t have the spare time 🤭
It’s based on BSD like Mach kernel
Oh it’s infamous racist Bryan Lunduke. Is there no rule against posting that guy?
Oh? What did he do
Just check his video titles.
Even without it, that snark face he uses for the thumbnails are a very big tell.
He’s an anti-woke crusader and bigot. A large chunk (probably most) of his “content” is actually about that.
CW all sorts of bigotry
“Best Alternatives to Woke Software”, “Devuan: The Non-Woke Debian Linux Fork”, lots of shit like that.
He loves talking about so-called “reverse racism”, he thinks white people are oppressed in US tech.
Here’s a recent one:
https://lunduke.substack.com/p/meta-ending-del-ending-fact-checking
They [Meta] are allowing criticism of LGTBQ+blublublub issues, including *snicker* the statement that gay people are mentally ill […] and they’re allowing vaccine skepticism on the platform […] and it is, I’m not gonna lie, mildly hilarious.
He also says, Palestine supporters and Hamas supporters are, and I quote, one and the same.
I don’t have a list of specific instances on hand. But he was kind of a contrarian voice for a while that I listened to over a decade ago, but in 2016 went in the more anti-woke (anti-CRT in terms of the time) and very reactionary culture war turn.
10/10 roast in the comments
isn’t Linux Unix-like?
Linux Is Not Unix, Xavier!
Yeah, it is it’s own free (as in freedom) alternative to it. It’s in the name GNU: GNU’s Not Unix
One could argue that “based” covers this kind of inspiration 😉
Yes, it was made without any Unix code
artistic licence innit - based being the opposite of cringe.
No it’s not, it’s based on BSD, or more specifically Darwin, which is derived from BSD, so Unix-like, but not Linux.
Although, oddly, macOS is a certified UNIX OS so it can rightfully sit at the table with the SysV distros such as AIX, HP-UX, or Solaris, but it’s nothing like those OSes in its nature.
While I was doing OS-X stuff, I remember Darwin just being a really painfully bad implementation of the apt functionality in Debian based Linuxes… Potaytoe, Potahtoe, Darwin is like burnt house fries, IMO.
Just remember that they didn’t certify macOS for any practical reason, Apple was just weaseling out of a lawsuit and figured that paying the certification was cheaper than damages. I think they lost the certification some time later. Newer macOS is not Unix certified.
Newer macOS is not Unix certified.
It’s UNIX 03 compliant https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
Not just Unix-like but actually ancestrally Unix as well as being certified as Unix
The video claims ada lovelace did not write the first computer program but it would kind of depend how you define what that is. If you check wikipedia it states:
“During 1842–1849, Ada Lovelace translated the memoir of Italian mathematician Luigi Menabrea about Charles Babbage’s newest proposed machine: the Analytical Engine; she supplemented the memoir with notes that specified in detail a method for calculating Bernoulli numbers with the engine, recognized by most of historians as the world’s first published computer program.”
From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_programming_languages
This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?
Because women bad.
This would indicate its not a cut and dry as the youtuber suggests and also I would assume he is not a historian(no clue who he is) so its unclear why his opinion or definition of computer program should usurp that of most historians who would recognise a term may change over time and be less well defined initially when inspiring a new technology?
He’s a long-standing member of the tech pundit community (dare I say the Linux community), and in recent years has been exposed as antivax, anti-woke, and a bigot. Before that he was just a confident sounding asshole with sometimes interesting opinions.
Fair. I didnt check any of the other myths so some may well be myths. Just interesting to me that his opinion is stated as fact when its a bit of a grey area and one could easily interpret her to be the first programmer in some ways. Its not like a computer has to exist to write a computer program, for example, you can imagine a world where all computers are destroyed in an event but a surviving programmer can still write a computer program if you just handed them a stone tablet and charcoal. The non existence of a computer isnt a problem, and a computer program written in a textbook is also valid.
The mac osx is linux certainly is a less controversial myth.
For the record I wasn’t disagreeing with your point or criticizing it at all. Just trying to give some context that might explain what you were observing.
🙂
Yes understand completely:)
macOS is UNIX, certified UNIX actually.
But I mean, if someone had the merest impression of macOS and was very familiar with Linux and never bothered to look any further then I’d understand. Maybe they only played around with macOS a little and saw the terminal app had bash and most all the familiar tools as on Linux. It’s not hard to see why they might’ve thought it’s Linux based.
macOS is a certified UNIX, sure, but according to some 2002 specification, and if you modify your system in such matter that it will be in nearly broken state.
I think 10% of people believe nearly anything. It’s basically the rounding error for a survey.
Honestly, if you had asked me 10 minutes ago “Is MacOS based on Linux?” I would have gotten it wrong. But if you asked “Is MacOS based on UNIX or Linux?” I would have gotten it right.
Isnt
zshthe default macos shell?It has been since 2019 but before that it was bash.
They switched to bash in 2003 with Mac OS X 10.3; before that it was tcsh.
I just got around to switching last month
It is now, but it was
bashbefore.But in any case once you start doing anything remotely advanced you’ll find the individual command line utilities are wildly different between macOS and Linux. They seem (are?) much closer to FreeBSD than GNU utilities.
Yeah, it’s always fun to find out that a standard looking util on osx actually requires weird args and syntax.
I’m mostly used to it now. Though
-ris supported in macOS’rmcommand I still prefer-Rand use it even on Linux where I believe-ris the preferred argument.
Closer, maybe. Similar, not.
