cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/30140601

Oleksandr deserted from the front line in eastern Ukraine after watching his fellow servicemen being pulverised by Russian bombardments for six months. Then, those remaining were ordered to counterattack.

It was the final straw for Oleksandr, 45, who had been holding the line in the embattled Lugansk region in the early months of the war. Even his commanding officer was reluctant to send his men back toward what looked like certain death. So when Oleksandr saw an opening to save his life, he did.

We wanted to live. We had no combat experience. We were just ordinary working people from villages,” the soft-spoken serviceman, who declined to give his last name, told AFP.

His decision is just one of many cases plaguing the Ukrainian military, which has already suffered at least 43,000 losses in nearly three years of fighting, President Volodymyr Zelensky revealed this month. The government is also struggling to recruit new troops. Together, these manpower problems present a critical hurdle for Ukraine, which is losing territory to Russia at the fastest rate since the early days of the February 2022 invasion.

The issue was put under the spotlight in September when 24-year-old serviceman Sergiy Gnezdilov announced in a scathing social media post that he was leaving his unit in protest over indefinite service. “From today, I am going AWOL with five years of impeccable soldiering behind me, until clear terms of service are established or until my 25th birthday,” he wrote.

Figures published by the Ukrainian general prosecutor’s office show that more than 90,000 cases have been opened into instances of soldiers going absent without leave or deserting since Russia invaded in 2022, with a sharp increase over the past year.

Oleksandr said that after leaving the frontline, he remembered little from the year he spent at home in the Lviv region owing to concussions he suffered while deployed. He recounted “mostly drinking” to process the horrors he witnessed but his guilt was mounting at the same time. He ultimately decided to return after seeing young Ukrainians enlist or wounded troops return to battle – despite pleas from his family.

His brother was beaten during the historic Maidan protests in 2013 that toppled Ukraine’s pro-Kremlin leader, and later died. His sister was desperate. “They’re going to kill you. I would rather bring you food to prison than flowers to your grave,” he recounted his sister telling him during a visit from Poland.

It was guilt, too, that motivated Buch, who identified himself by a military nickname, to return to battle. The 29-year-old deserted after being wounded in fierce fighting in southern Ukraine in late 2022 during the liberation of Kherson city. “Just staying under constant shelling gradually damages your mental state. You go crazy step by step. You are all the time under stress, huge stress,” he said of his initial decision to abscond.

In an effort to address manpower shortages, Ukrainian lawmakers in August approved an amnesty for first-time offenders who voluntarily returned to their units.

Both the 47th and 53rd brigades in December announced they would welcome back servicemen who had left the front without permission, saying: “We all make mistakes.” Prosecutors said in early December that 8,000 servicemen that went absent without leave or deserted had returned in November alone.

Still, Siver, commander of the 1st Separate Assault Battalion, known as Da Vinci, who also identified himself by his military nickname, said the number of Ukrainian troops fleeing the fighting without permission was growing. That is partly because many of the most motivated fighters have already been killed or wounded.

Not many people are made for war,” said Siver, describing how his perceptions of bravery had been reshaped by seeing those who stood their ground, and those who fled. “There are more and more people who are forced to go,” he told AFP, referring to a large-scale and divisive army mobilisation campaign.

But other servicemen interviewed by AFP suggested that systemic changes in military culture – and leadership – could help deter desertions.

Buch said his military and medical training as well as the attitudes of his superiors had improved compared to his first deployment, when some officers “didn’t treat us like people”. Siver suggested that better psychological support could help troops prepare for the hardships and stress of battle.

Some people think it’s going to be like in a movie. Everything will be great, I’ll shoot, I’ll run,” he said. “But it’s different. You sit in a trench for weeks. Some of them are knee-deep in mud, cold and hungry.” He said there was no easy solution to discouraging desertion, and predicted the trend would worsen. “How do you reduce the numbers? I don’t even know how. We just have to end the war,” he said.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    40
    ·
    6 months ago

    It’s rough being on the smaller side. Rotating soldiers off the line is a huge part of not having people go AWOL. But a smaller force can’t afford rotation. The next best thing is amnesties, building camaraderie (so they want to fight for their friends), and visibly trying to reduce casualties as much as possible.

    At the end of the day if they can’t get it under control they will lose.

  • BigBenis@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 months ago

    “We wanted to live. We had no combat experience. We were just ordinary working people from villages”

    This is the cost of war. Everyday people going about their lives with friends and family having their time on this world upended and cut short, all at the whim of some asshole putting their own ambition before the livelihood of others.

    • Pilferjinx@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      6 months ago

      I was interested in maybe joining the foreign legion but my research illuminated that the commander at the time was a dummy that would routinely endanger his soldiers unnecessarily. He might’ve improved but there’s no way I’d risk it now.

    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      6 months ago

      Pirates elected their leaders. Hell, we do too. POTUS is elected. So is Congress.

      Pirates are notable because the supreme authority was 1 or 2 rungs of the ladder above you, which is the spirit of your comment.

      • barsoap@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        6 months ago

        With Pirates the captain also wasn’t the sole authority on the ship, just the military one. The first mate was the civilian leader, also elected. You generally don’t want your war chief be the one solving disputes over who sleeps in which bunk: Even if they have the skillset that’s not what you want them to worry about.

  • kava@lemmy.world
    cake
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    arrow-down
    55
    ·
    6 months ago

    I’d have gone AWOL a long time ago. Both the Ukrainians and the Russians have repeatedly had moments where they showed very little regard for human life.

      • kava@lemmy.world
        cake
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        28
        ·
        6 months ago

        From the perspective of the foot soldier, the ethical or moral difference hardly makes any difference. Whether you’re defending hopelessly lost positions as a Ukrainian or a Russian being recklessly thrown into a meat grinder - you’re dead either way.

          • kava@lemmy.world
            cake
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            6 months ago

            Russia’s casualties are probably in the 3x range as is typical for attacking armies.

            But the point isn’t the total number of casualties but the possibility of being thrown in situations where leadership essentially throws your life away. There are plenty of examples on both sides of this happening.

            https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/19/europe/ukrainian-avdiivka-soldiers-messages-intl/index.html

            example, the withdrawal from Adviivka. They knew they were going to be overrun and there was plenty of time to get away. But the political apparatus wants to maintain a strong image, they want to hold land as long as possible instead of retreating and saving manpower.

            So instead of just losing it now, you lose it a week later and you throw away 300 lives for virtually no tactical benefit.

            politics > strategy > real breathing human beings

            I will never be willing to die for a politician. I don’t care how nice their cause sounds. I’m not a nationalist, I’m not a patriot. They can find some other koolaid drinker who wants to sacrifice themselves for the greater good

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              4
              ·
              6 months ago

              So instead of just losing it now, you lose it a week later and you throw away 300 lives for virtually no tactical benefit.

              As long as the k/d ratio is beneficial to the Ukrainian side it’s still strategically beneficial to stay. It’s a war of attrition, not a tactical manoeuvre, Avdiivka itself was never strategically relevant Ukraine has plenty of land to fall back to, what matters is tiring out the Russians.

              Strategic command might very well have misjudged the situation, including not factoring in morale effects properly, but that doesn’t make “hold and take losses as long as the other side takes more losses” strategically invalid.

        • catloaf@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          6 months ago

          Sure. Sometimes you have to think about other people, though.

          • kava@lemmy.world
            cake
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            9
            arrow-down
            11
            ·
            edit-2
            6 months ago

            That’s how they try to sell you a violent death. Some sort of altruistic idealism. Defend your country. Valor and honor. Bla bla bla

            Reality is much more brutal and cynical. There are no winners in war.

              • kava@lemmy.world
                cake
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                9
                arrow-down
                10
                ·
                edit-2
                6 months ago

                What difference does it make to me and my family? I am ruled by one oligarchic society versus another?

                Is it worth me dying and my family violently and traumatically losing their main breadwinner? Wife having to struggle to make ends meet, kids growing up without a father?

                What if Ukraine loses anyway? I valiantly risk my death, permanently damage my family, and there is absolutely zero benefit.

                Seriously, there is no scenario where this is a good decision. I would have gotten out the moment it looked like a war was potentially gonna happen. If you wait too long, now you can’t leave the country and they’re kidnapping people off the street and throwing them in vans to force them into serving.

              • TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                6 months ago

                Totally detached from reality.

                These days either the war is won right from the start, or it becomes a stalemate. Long-term there is no winners and losers, war is not profitable if someone stops it. What do you think politicians would choose?

                • T00l_shed@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  4
                  ·
                  6 months ago

                  Why do you think russia invaded? Detached from reality is thinking that no one wins long term.