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jeffw@lemmy.worldM to News@lemmy.world · 6 months ago

Video showing “Haitian immigrants” illegally voting was faked by Russian disinformation unit, US says

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Video showing “Haitian immigrants” illegally voting was faked by Russian disinformation unit, US says

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jeffw@lemmy.worldM to News@lemmy.world · 6 months ago
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    Try to go and post this on Lemmy.ml

    @[email protected] is adamant Russian propaganda and misinformation Don’t exist. I wonder who would argue such a thing?

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      Ah he doesn’t argue as much when he can’t ban people for disagreeing with his nonsense

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      So this is basically the point of federation isn’t it? So there can always be ‘bad guy’ instances that we never stop talking about? PvP social media?

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        Oh, so you’re denying that you’ve ever denied or questioned the existence of Russian propaganda and/or bad actors?

        Okay.

        What’s this then? https://lemmy.world/comment/11978870

        And these ?

        Oh wait no, despite all these doubts you have, you seem to accept the existence of Russian propaganda in this comment:

        Hey, just off hand, if you wouldn’t mind finally answering this; are you pro-Russian? Do you support Putin? You claim to be American, but you can’t even say “I’m not pro-Russian”, no matter how many times we’ve engaged. Nor can you call Putler the pathetic little piglet he is. For obvious reasons. ;) Feel free to prove me wrong.

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          I stand by my statement that there are “approximately zero” bots on Lemmy, unless you want to include the occasional spammer or corporate shill, and even they are almost always quickly dispatched.

          And there are reasons why I’m not inclined to take my government or their NGO partners at their word.

          • Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
          • Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
          • Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
          • Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
          • Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
          • Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
          • Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
          • MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
          • Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
          • Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
          • Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
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            Denying you’ve said what you’ve said, only marginally touching on it to say you didn’t actually mean what you wrote. After which you again ignore me asking you whether you’re pro-Russian or not. Why? Why can you answer this simple question? ARE YOU PRO-RUSSIAN?

            Why is it that you simply can not answer that, and genuinely all you do on Lemmy revolves around posting these inane lists of bullshit, always defending & indirectly propagating exactly the same thing Russian propaganda does?

            Why is it that you simply can not answer this simple question that I’ve now repeated half a dozen times in this comment to highlight just how asinine this approach of yours is: ARE YOU PRO-RUSSIAN?

            *We all know the answer, by the way, because you say things like this:

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              Reality has a well-known Russian propaganda bias.

              It seems that lately Western media has started “parroting Russian talking points.” Is it because all this Russian propaganda is so incredibly effective, or is it because truths are becoming harder and harder to suppress? This week:

              • The Economist: Ukraine is now struggling to survive, not to win
              • Responsible Statecraft: Why sanctions on Russia are literally backfiring: Moscow appeared ripe for Western-imposed economic pain after its invasion of Ukraine but today the country is thriving
              • NYT: With Limited Options, Zelensky Seeks a Path Forward for Ukraine
              • NYT: Russia’s Swift March Forward in Ukraine’s East
              • NYT: As Russia Advances, U.S. Fears Ukraine Has Entered a Grim Phase

              .
              Western media parroted Russian talking points before 2022 as well, but somehow in February of that year they stopped 🤔

              • Reuters: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
              • BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
              • Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
              • The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
              • The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
              • WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
              • Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
              • The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
              • Jacobin, 2022: A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War
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                You know why I keep engaging with you? It’s because it’s like visiting a museum exhibit about Soviet propaganda. Amusing in weird sort of way. Your use of Russian propaganda is so exemplary it’s honestly rather impressive. I mean, Russian propaganda is shit rhetoric, any 16-year old with an average media literacy from my country could break down these childish lists of yours. You just rely on “if they start engaging, I can sealion endlessly”, and think people don’t understand what you’re doing.

                Just like how you keep avoiding the question of if you’re pro-Russian or not. Which is again hilarious in itself, since you do keep insisting you’re a red-blooded American, but won’t go so far as to lie about not being pro-Russian, which is painfully obvious to everyone.

                Are you pro-Russian? Do you wish to give Putler oral pleasure?

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                  Take a look at the content they constantly remove in the mod logs. They can’t stand anyone that backs up their argument factually, yet does nothing but post their copypasta propaganda here for anyone ignorant enough to read it.

                  Seriously. Check their removals against the actual rules. Because unless Rule 1 clearly states:

                  Don’t post things I don’t like

                  The overwhelming majority of the shit they remove and ban people for- doesn’t break any rules at all.

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                    Oh yeah I know. The first time I ever commented something to him, it took him less than two comments to start making threats with his mod status.

                    A very clear Russian troll. Claims to be American, but I seriously doubt it. A Putler loving American? Must have a lot of friends. :D

                    I seriously don’t understand why lemmy.world federates with lemmy.ml

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                  All I did was post links to Western media sources, so I don’t see how that could be “a museum exhibit about Soviet propaganda.”

                  Edit to add: If you don’t want people to see links to Western media, maybe don’t @ me next time 🤷

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                    Are you pro-Russian?

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                Picked one of your random article links. Here’s a quote.

                To be clear, the Kremlin’s claims that Ukraine is a hornets’ nest of fascists are false: far-right parties performed poorly in Ukraine’s last parliamentary elections, and Ukrainians reacted with alarm to the National Militia’s demonstration in Kiev. But connections between law enforcement agencies and extremists give Ukraine’s Western allies ample reason for concern. C14 and Kiev’s city government recently signed an agreement allowing C14 to establish a “municipal guard” to patrol the streets; three such militia-run guard forces are already registered in Kiev, and at least 21 operate in other cities.

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            Holy Russian propaganda Batman!

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        Your actions speak louder than words. You can’t fool us.

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          Okay, collective pseudonymous you, ya got me 👍

          What “actions” are you even talking about? This is social media, there’s nothing here but words.

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