• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    24
    ·
    4 months ago

    If she doesn’t come out strongly on Gaza, she just lost this convention and the election.

    She really signaled that she would be better after Biden dropped out. Its proving to be that it was just lip service. She will not win if she doesn’t shift and everything about how this convention has been conducted indicates she’s not shifting.

    • citrusface@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 months ago

      Holy shit. Lay off it already - it’s so incredibly tiring having to drown you people out.

      YES. WHAT IS GOING ON IN GAZA IS FUCKING AWFUL.

      People are concerned about DOMESTIC ISSUES.

      CORPORATE GREED. FOOD PRICES. HOUSING. LGBTQ+ RIGHTS. WOMENS RIGHTS.

      THIS ELECTION WILL NOT BE DETERMINED BY THE CURRENT EVENTS IN GAZA.

      Just stop with this shit. Don’t vote or vote trump if you think it will be better but keep your nonsense opinion to yourself.

        • citrusface@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          4 months ago

          I didn’t say it wasn’t important. It’s incredibly important. It’s not what is going to swing the average voter.

          Your rhetoric is framing her as a failure because she hadnt put out a firm stance on ONE hot button issue right now.

          What is happening in Gaza is genocide. It is wrong. It is awful. It is not the only thing happening. It’s not domestic. That’s what the average voter is concerned about - domestic issues.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            4 months ago

            I didn’t say it wasn’t important. It’s incredibly important. It’s not what is going to swing the average voter.

            Then if it’s not going to decide anything, there’s no reason to shut up about it.

            Your rhetoric is framing her as a failure because she hadnt put out a firm stance on ONE hot button issue right now.

            Failure? No. I mean, I live in reality. She’s vastly more popular than Biden was, thank god. But ignoring the concerns of the electorate doesn’t make them go away. It just breeds apathy.

            What is happening in Gaza is genocide. It is wrong. It is awful.

            All the more reason to call for an arms embargo and keep calling for it. We spent so long talking about the moral high ground as a justification for maintaining decorum while Republicans stacked the courts and ignored laws we still have yet to prosecute. Yet we abandon morals entirely when we want to sell weapons to the head of a brutal apartheid regime to carry out genocide. Far as I’m concerned, our complicity in the latter calls into question our motivations for the former.

            It is not the only thing happening. It’s not domestic. That’s what the average voter is concerned about - domestic issues.

            So there’s no reason to shut up about it. We can oppose genocide and chew gum at the same time.

            • citrusface@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              4 months ago

              Okay sure - Fair points. I still think your approach does more harm than good, but i really don’t see the need to continue to have a looping conversation.

    • SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      5
      ·
      4 months ago

      Seriously, this speech might as well have come from Biden.

      There was a lot of excitement around her possibly being a departure from Biden’s agenda, and this speech was supposed to show us who she is and how she’ll govern. We got an incredibly right-wing speech after she rode on a wave of progressive momentum. I suspect that momentum will slow now. Leave it to Democrats to shoot themselves in the foot at every turn.