It was a horrible incident and there is no room for violence in politics…
That said, I am relieved to know that the shooter is neither an immigrant nor a person of color, or a trans person. And not someone on the left. The violent backlash from the right would be unbearable/unthinkable otherwise.
But, rifles are an old way of doing things, and predict that there will be more political violence through the next years.
Buddy not funny. Extra judicially executing your political opponents is the kinda thing trump would pull and we can’t endorse or even approve of it. The state of America today keeps reminding me of the fall of the roman Republic and a fascist dying ain’t gonna fix the problem, it’ll just let someone more cunningly capable of such things into the seat trumps trying to fill and then sh*ts gonna turn fast. What we needs is wide reaching, institutional reform. I just don’t know whose gonna push for it.
When the guy who is at the center of it all corrupted the system that’s supposed to keep him in check you’ve lost a lot of options. Like the old saying goes, if civil unrest isn’t effective the people don’t stop being upset they just stop being civil.
I think you’ve missed the past 10 years - shit’s already totally fucked. It makes zero sense not to fight back against the tyrant of the minority. They should be well aware that they do not have a monopoly on violence.
He’s not just a political opponent, he’s also an authoritarian and a fascist. The won’t be sad when he’s dead, the sooner the better.
You say this like the American right isn’t planning violence ANYWAY. You say this like the Christian Nationalists won’t be violent ANYWAY. Trump dying would change nothing about the course of this nation except one more fascist would be dead.
Acing Trump is the path to guaranteed violence. People advocating against doing so aren’t just doing so from a moral and/or philosophical standpoint. WWI started with a politician being assassinated.
Edit:ok clowns, downvote the person saying killing a former president is a bad idea. Like several countries aren’t salivating at the idea of the US being embroiled in a civil war. Gee almost like one or more countries even have a vested interest in destabilising the US and have been accused of contributing to it. By all means though don’t let that stop you.
I know this is a hypothetical but Hitler wasn’t some one man force. The nazi party was a very large organisation and without Hitler it could still have come into power in the climate that Hitler catapulted himself to fame on. Killing one man rarely makes such a big difference. The holocaust for example wasn’t even Hitler idea, although he was looking for something like it. My point is don’t assume the future and take things into your own hands because you’re trying to tip the scales before a suspected disaster, I don’t wanna find out who the savvy maverick that can exploit outrage over trumps death to move even more people to support them and without trumps bafooneries and obvious croniesm actually make a much more horrifying impact.
You live before Hitler’s rise to power, and have no ability to see in the future. When would it be justified to take a violent action to change the course of history and to save as many hypothetical lives as possible?
From that perspective, I don’t know if I’d be able to tell and take action without making a terrible mistake and making everything worse, we’re talking about taking a life…
There wouldn’t be a world war. What are you even saying??? There’s no other nation involved.
Killing the man could potentially save countless lives, avoid a potential civil war at the least and maybe even avoid major international conflicts where the US would actually associate with rogue countries and leaders and leave it’s regular allies.
Europeans are actually working towards a possible scenario where Trump gets elected and stops supporting them in favor of Russia!
If anything, Trump could be the the potential spark to start world war 3!
There’s no other nation involved. Except for those that would benefit from US being in civil war.
How people think killing Trump prevents a civil war instead of acting as the justification a lot of conservatives seems to have been waiting for to initiate one, boggles my mind. Like MAGA and all the alt-right/facist groups behind them just poof vanish or wander off dejected into the sunset. Yeah fucking right.
No, of course they’re not going to disappear. But their leader, the man behind which they really, will be gone. I doubt there will be someone else as charismatic or as famous as Trump that will be able to really the people like he did. Plus there would be infighting within the party to find the new republican candidate.
How on earth does this relate to WW1 at all? WW1 started because a Bosnian-Serb assassinated an Austrian duke, and when asked to investigate Serbia told Austria to fuck off. Serbia was a completely separate country to Austria, and was purposefully trying to stir up shit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
This was a U.S. citizen trying to assassinate a former U.S. president. Nobody else in the world is going to give a shit. We actually do this with startling frequency compared to most other countries.
It was a horrible incident and there is no room for violence in politics…
That said, I am relieved to know that the shooter is neither an immigrant nor a person of color, or a trans person. And not someone on the left. The violent backlash from the right would be unbearable/unthinkable otherwise.
But, rifles are an old way of doing things, and predict that there will be more political violence through the next years.
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Buddy not funny. Extra judicially executing your political opponents is the kinda thing trump would pull and we can’t endorse or even approve of it. The state of America today keeps reminding me of the fall of the roman Republic and a fascist dying ain’t gonna fix the problem, it’ll just let someone more cunningly capable of such things into the seat trumps trying to fill and then sh*ts gonna turn fast. What we needs is wide reaching, institutional reform. I just don’t know whose gonna push for it.
When the guy who is at the center of it all corrupted the system that’s supposed to keep him in check you’ve lost a lot of options. Like the old saying goes, if civil unrest isn’t effective the people don’t stop being upset they just stop being civil.
I think you’ve missed the past 10 years - shit’s already totally fucked. It makes zero sense not to fight back against the tyrant of the minority. They should be well aware that they do not have a monopoly on violence.
Suggest you read up on the prisoner’s dilemma.
He’s not just a political opponent, he’s also an authoritarian and a fascist. The won’t be sad when he’s dead, the sooner the better.
You say this like the American right isn’t planning violence ANYWAY. You say this like the Christian Nationalists won’t be violent ANYWAY. Trump dying would change nothing about the course of this nation except one more fascist would be dead.
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I understand. I’m just sick that one side keeps advocating it and using it while the other just takes it and only protests.
Acing Trump is the path to guaranteed violence. People advocating against doing so aren’t just doing so from a moral and/or philosophical standpoint. WWI started with a politician being assassinated.
Edit:ok clowns, downvote the person saying killing a former president is a bad idea. Like several countries aren’t salivating at the idea of the US being embroiled in a civil war. Gee almost like one or more countries even have a vested interest in destabilising the US and have been accused of contributing to it. By all means though don’t let that stop you.
And WW2 might’ve been averted if Hitler had been assassinated 🤷♂️
I know this is a hypothetical but Hitler wasn’t some one man force. The nazi party was a very large organisation and without Hitler it could still have come into power in the climate that Hitler catapulted himself to fame on. Killing one man rarely makes such a big difference. The holocaust for example wasn’t even Hitler idea, although he was looking for something like it. My point is don’t assume the future and take things into your own hands because you’re trying to tip the scales before a suspected disaster, I don’t wanna find out who the savvy maverick that can exploit outrage over trumps death to move even more people to support them and without trumps bafooneries and obvious croniesm actually make a much more horrifying impact.
Let’s make an hypothetical scenario here.
You live before Hitler’s rise to power, and have no ability to see in the future. When would it be justified to take a violent action to change the course of history and to save as many hypothetical lives as possible?
From that perspective, I don’t know if I’d be able to tell and take action without making a terrible mistake and making everything worse, we’re talking about taking a life…
How about when the cunt loses an election and sics an army of degenerates on Congress to overturn that result?
There wouldn’t be a world war. What are you even saying??? There’s no other nation involved.
Killing the man could potentially save countless lives, avoid a potential civil war at the least and maybe even avoid major international conflicts where the US would actually associate with rogue countries and leaders and leave it’s regular allies.
Europeans are actually working towards a possible scenario where Trump gets elected and stops supporting them in favor of Russia!
If anything, Trump could be the the potential spark to start world war 3!
There’s no other nation involved. Except for those that would benefit from US being in civil war.
How people think killing Trump prevents a civil war instead of acting as the justification a lot of conservatives seems to have been waiting for to initiate one, boggles my mind. Like MAGA and all the alt-right/facist groups behind them just poof vanish or wander off dejected into the sunset. Yeah fucking right.
No, of course they’re not going to disappear. But their leader, the man behind which they really, will be gone. I doubt there will be someone else as charismatic or as famous as Trump that will be able to really the people like he did. Plus there would be infighting within the party to find the new republican candidate.
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How on earth does this relate to WW1 at all? WW1 started because a Bosnian-Serb assassinated an Austrian duke, and when asked to investigate Serbia told Austria to fuck off. Serbia was a completely separate country to Austria, and was purposefully trying to stir up shit in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
This was a U.S. citizen trying to assassinate a former U.S. president. Nobody else in the world is going to give a shit. We actually do this with startling frequency compared to most other countries.
It won’t matter though, they’ll still blame the left and say it was a false flag etc. Biden even connected this to the Gaza campus protests.