Here in reality, no, Ukraine isnāt run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of courseā¦people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
Itās amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and itās satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who youāre not going to convince because they know you donāt know what youāre talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we havenāt heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you donāt, because weāve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what Iām talking about. Iām more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react toā¦youād not mice Iām not pro Ukraineā¦Iām just aware that Russia is a dictatorship thatās alsoĀ full of Nazis.
Putin actually is popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. Itās still a capitalist shithole, but at least itās their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Russia isnāt āfullā of Nazis, though it certainly does have some fascists. I donāt know where you get that from. Itās not like you provide any evidence for your assertions.
Russia is an actual dictatorshipā¦of one person. As terrible as the USA isā¦they at least switch between a terrible leader and a fascist one every 4-8 years, or so. I think you confusing āliterallyā a dictatorship with āfigurativelyā a dictatorship. Theyāre not the same. The USA has terribly gerrymandered elections is a broken system that favours small statesā¦so it takes a lot more to overcome the fascistsā¦but at least it possible. Meanwhile, Russia has entirely fake elections. The USA isnāt thereā¦yet. Getting close.
You guys are far-out. Itās likeā¦whatā¦anti-American horseshoe theory? Youāre so anti-Americanā¦you come out the other end supporting evil dictators?
If you want to shit on The States in isolationā¦Iāll do it all day longā¦Iām a Canadian socialistā¦.but I havenāt lost my objectivity just because I hate Americans so much.
Ukraine isnāt any more full of Nazis than Russia isā¦all those Slavish places are lousy with them. Ukraine is just like any other Eastern European placeā¦or any place in the world, really: the people in the cities are generally nornieāish and westerners can relate to themā¦and people outside of cities can be crazy fundamentalist ma in one way or another. Canada is alsoĀ full of Nazis, BTWā¦my hometown is having giant open rallies. Where I used to live out west where itās supposed to be full of hippies just had one. You find Nazis anywhere you find poor white people.
No, itās reality that youāre denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as āRussian propaganda.ā From @[email protected]
You donāt need to flood the zoneā¦everybody is aware thereās Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like thereās Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
Itās absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also Ā full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Donāt know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraineās problems and ignore Russiaās:
No idea what radicalized youā¦for some people itās because theyāre tankiesā¦for others itās because theyāre insane anti Americans. At the end of the day youāve got tunnel vision and blinders.
The leadership in Kiev is neo-Nazi, it isnāt just a small group. Ukrainian citizens are suffering under the Banderite regime. Russia has neo-Nazis too, but they arenāt infesting the leadership, who are mostly nationalists supported by the majority of people for kicking out foreign imperialists that were plundering the country in the 90s. What radicalized me against western imperialism is living in a dying capitalist empire. I consume plenty of media from the west, thereās no tunnel vision nor blinders on. Being a communist and being anti-US Empire isnāt āinsane.ā
You heard it hereā¦dictator Putin: better than āKievā.
Itās completely insane be to be so communist that you stampede past the fact that Russia was corrupted by capitalist oligarchsā¦and end up in favour an imperialist dictator. What a trip.
I donāt miss that Russia is ruled by nationalists, I quite openly said that they are. Kiev is run by neo-Nazis and is a puppet of western imperialists. Russia isnāt imperialist, it lacks the finance capital necessary to be so, itās western countries that are imperialist and using Ukraine like they do Israel, to secure their interests in the region. It isnāt at all āinsaneā to have a grounded and consistent understanding.
You have this incredibly simplistic āgood vs evilā thing going on here, and itās clouding your judgement entirely.
FāRussia sucks at being imperialistā isnāt a great defence. They already took back half the eastern block, sometimes by proxy.
They would have grabbed Ukraine and the Baltics, at leastā¦and maybe Poland (also totally full of Nazis) if the west didnāt āstep inā. It is what it is. Just because theyāre shit at war doesnāt mean they wouldnāt do it in a vacuum.
Listenā¦all Iām saying is that there no through lines to good and evil, here. Itās warā¦itās a bunch of fascist imperialists fighting other fascist imperialists. At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance. Itās likeā¦Iām not choosingā¦Iām just talking about it.
My ex girlfriend is the other extreme from you: sheās one of the liberal weirdos who emigrated to Ukraine because she needed a cause, I guess (she has no ties to Ukraine). Yesā¦sheās ended up at rallies that were Nazi rallies even though she thought they were pro Ukraine ralliesā¦but the country isnāt some monolith of Nazism like youāre saying it it. The Nazis are a powerful minority. Nazis love warā¦on both sides of the border theyāre laughing.
Taking land isnāt necessarily imperialism. Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk all voted to join the Russian Federation, and Russia is annexing them not for resource extraction but to resolve the ethnic cleansing Kiev has levied against the Donbass region, and to create a buffer zone against NATO encirclement. Imperialism is a form of international extraction that functions by maintaining financial domination and monopoly, and using that to super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Russia is trying to āgrab Poland, the Baltics, and the rest of Ukraine.ā This is entirely fabricated on your end, Russia has no reason to do so nor is there any information on that.
Iām not saying Ukraine is majority Nazi. I said the leadership is full of Nazis, because the Nazis took power during the Euromaidan coup. The people arenāt all Nazis, just like Statesians arenāt all MAGA, but just like pro-America rallies are almost all MAGA, nationalist rallies in Ukraine draw out the neo-Nazis. The difference between Nazis in Russia and Ukraine is that in Ukraine they actually control the government, in Russia there are just small pockets.
Sometimes you seem like a reasonable personā¦but it all goes out the window when you present open Russian deception like calling those propaganda tools āelectionsā. Those referendums were clearly staged by the militaryā¦the Crimean one laughably so, with 97% support. Youāre also telling on yourself when you use odd language like the annexations werenāt for resource extraction. Who said they were? Crimea is a port and the others are (were) industrial hubs and a land border to the former.
No evidence? Seeā¦comments like that donāt make we want to continue with youā¦and itās an insult that you expect me not to believe my lying ears. You know very well Putin, Medvedev and many others have repeatedly referred to Poland and the Baltics as occupied & openly bloviated about annexing them. Theyāve literally massed forces on the border with them, and every other piece of āevidenceā one could possible needā¦overt or implied. Trying to deny Russkiy Mir is just weird. I didnāt even bring up Finland and all the other regions Russian officials have commented on.
Iām going to take a break from you. Pretty unreasonable stuff, here.
This is just Russian propaganda.
Here in reality, no, Ukraine isnāt run by neo Nazis. Are some people in the army Nazis? Yes, of courseā¦people who like to kill other people are generally terrible people.
Itās amazing that, for whatever reason, people give such a pass to Russia. Russia is a fascist dictatorship that absolutely ethnically cleanses groups all over the country and itās satellites.
This post is three days old, this thread is buried deep, and the only people still here are ones who youāre not going to convince because they know you donāt know what youāre talking about. It is you who are repeating propaganda, as if we havenāt heard it all a thousand times before.
We know all the same things you know and a whole lot of things you donāt, because weāve actually investigated. If you have a commitment to the truth and the luxury of time, you can, too. Previously.
I know exactly what Iām talking about. Iām more skeptical than all these zero sum pro Russians combined.
If you read what I wrote instead of babbling what you wanted to react toā¦youād not mice Iām not pro Ukraineā¦Iām just aware that Russia is a dictatorship thatās alsoĀ full of Nazis.
Russia is no more a dictatorship than the US or Ukraine are. Theyāre all oligarchies, run by the consent of the bourgeoisie. [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Putin actually is popular. Russians have good reason to like him: he kicked the Western capitalist neoliberal shock therapy plunderers out of the country, whom Yeltsin let in. Itās still a capitalist shithole, but at least itās their shithole and not a neocolonized state anymore.
Russia isnāt āfullā of Nazis, though it certainly does have some fascists. I donāt know where you get that from. Itās not like you provide any evidence for your assertions.
Russia is an actual dictatorshipā¦of one person. As terrible as the USA isā¦they at least switch between a terrible leader and a fascist one every 4-8 years, or so. I think you confusing āliterallyā a dictatorship with āfigurativelyā a dictatorship. Theyāre not the same. The USA has terribly gerrymandered elections is a broken system that favours small statesā¦so it takes a lot more to overcome the fascistsā¦but at least it possible. Meanwhile, Russia has entirely fake elections. The USA isnāt thereā¦yet. Getting close.
You guys are far-out. Itās likeā¦whatā¦anti-American horseshoe theory? Youāre so anti-Americanā¦you come out the other end supporting evil dictators?
If you want to shit on The States in isolationā¦Iāll do it all day longā¦Iām a Canadian socialistā¦.but I havenāt lost my objectivity just because I hate Americans so much.
Ukraine isnāt any more full of Nazis than Russia isā¦all those Slavish places are lousy with them. Ukraine is just like any other Eastern European placeā¦or any place in the world, really: the people in the cities are generally nornieāish and westerners can relate to themā¦and people outside of cities can be crazy fundamentalist ma in one way or another. Canada is alsoĀ full of Nazis, BTWā¦my hometown is having giant open rallies. Where I used to live out west where itās supposed to be full of hippies just had one. You find Nazis anywhere you find poor white people.
No, itās reality that youāre denying. Ukraine is run by neo-Nazis, as was reported by the west, which you still disagree with as āRussian propaganda.ā From @[email protected]
Russia isnāt ethnically cleansing people, Kiev is.
You donāt need to flood the zoneā¦everybody is aware thereās Neo-Nazis in Ukraine, like thereās Neo-Nazis in Russia, and everywhere else.
Itās absolutely Russian propaganda to present them as the entirely of Ukraine, and ignore that Russia is also Ā full of Nazis. Russia is also a repressive fascistic dictatorship.
Donāt know what cooked your brain that you need to hyper focus on Ukraineās problems and ignore Russiaās:
https://www.sova-center.ru/en/xenophobia/reports-analyses/2025/02/d47102/Ā Independent Russian monitoring group SOVA documents trends in ideologically motivated violence, victim counts, and state responses, highlighting a resurgence of street attacks and online glorification of violence.
https://jacobin.com/2024/12/neo-nazis-russia-ukraine-violence/Ā Long-form analysis linking wartime propaganda and online clout culture to renewed visibility of violent neoāNazi groups and their recruitment tactics.
https://russianlife.com/the-russia-file/neo-nazis-return-to-russian-streets/ Magazine piece synthesizing reporting on street violence, Telegram channels, and SOVA statistics showing rising incidents in 2024.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA3450-1.htmlĀ Policy research on how Kremlin narratives about ādenazificationā are used strategically; useful for understanding state propaganda and external messaging.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/2/4/503446.pdfĀ Official OSCE materials and delegationsā statements addressing neoāNazi glorification and related regional concerns.
https://carnegie-mec.org/russia-eurasia/researchĀ Scholarly analyses on Russian nationalism, stateāfarāright interactions, and implications.
https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/11/how-the-traumas-of-2004-blinded-putin?lang=enĀ Contextual piece linking historical trauma narratives to contemporary securitized rhetoric that can empower extremist frames.
https://www.brookings.edu/regions/europe-eurasia/russia/Ā Policy briefs and expert commentary on Russian domestic politics, including farāright trends and security implications.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2024/12/06/neo-nazi-street-attacks-are-making-a-comeback-in-russia-experts-link-it-to-2000s-nostalgia-internet-clout-culture-and-the-warĀ Investigative reporting on viral attack videos, Telegram ecosystems, and cultural drivers behind renewed violence.
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-in-the-news/isds-steven-rai-on-the-resurgence-of-the-neo-nazi-accelerationist-group-the-base/Ā Expert commentary on transnational neoāNazi networks, recruitment, and links to conflict zones.
https://www.dagens.com/war/neo-nazi-terror-group-with-ties-to-russia-recruits-for-attacks-in-ukraineĀ News coverage of recruitment and alleged operational ties between extremist cells and Russian interests.
https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jarees2001/2002/31/2002_31_57////_articleĀ Academic study tracing ideological roots, party actors, and social drivers of neoāNazi movements in Russia.
https://academic.oup.com/book/45836/chapter/400752581Ā Scholarly chapter on neoāNazi networks in Russian prisons and their social dynamics.
https://www.academia.edu/41133663/From_Red_to_Black_The_rise_of_Neo_Nazism_in_Russia_in_the_90Ā Historical overview useful for tracing evolution from 1990s skinhead subculture to modern groups.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/30/putin-says-ukraine-goals-will-be-achieved-as-he-repeats-neo-nazi-claimsĀ Reporting on official rhetoric that invokes āneoāNaziā narratives as justification for policy and war.
No idea what radicalized youā¦for some people itās because theyāre tankiesā¦for others itās because theyāre insane anti Americans. At the end of the day youāve got tunnel vision and blinders.
The leadership in Kiev is neo-Nazi, it isnāt just a small group. Ukrainian citizens are suffering under the Banderite regime. Russia has neo-Nazis too, but they arenāt infesting the leadership, who are mostly nationalists supported by the majority of people for kicking out foreign imperialists that were plundering the country in the 90s. What radicalized me against western imperialism is living in a dying capitalist empire. I consume plenty of media from the west, thereās no tunnel vision nor blinders on. Being a communist and being anti-US Empire isnāt āinsane.ā
You heard it hereā¦dictator Putin: better than āKievā.
Itās completely insane be to be so communist that you stampede past the fact that Russia was corrupted by capitalist oligarchsā¦and end up in favour an imperialist dictator. What a trip.
I donāt miss that Russia is ruled by nationalists, I quite openly said that they are. Kiev is run by neo-Nazis and is a puppet of western imperialists. Russia isnāt imperialist, it lacks the finance capital necessary to be so, itās western countries that are imperialist and using Ukraine like they do Israel, to secure their interests in the region. It isnāt at all āinsaneā to have a grounded and consistent understanding.
You have this incredibly simplistic āgood vs evilā thing going on here, and itās clouding your judgement entirely.
FāRussia sucks at being imperialistā isnāt a great defence. They already took back half the eastern block, sometimes by proxy.
They would have grabbed Ukraine and the Baltics, at leastā¦and maybe Poland (also totally full of Nazis) if the west didnāt āstep inā. It is what it is. Just because theyāre shit at war doesnāt mean they wouldnāt do it in a vacuum.
Listenā¦all Iām saying is that there no through lines to good and evil, here. Itās warā¦itās a bunch of fascist imperialists fighting other fascist imperialists. At least the western fascist imperialists annex with capitalism instead of by governance. Itās likeā¦Iām not choosingā¦Iām just talking about it.
My ex girlfriend is the other extreme from you: sheās one of the liberal weirdos who emigrated to Ukraine because she needed a cause, I guess (she has no ties to Ukraine). Yesā¦sheās ended up at rallies that were Nazi rallies even though she thought they were pro Ukraine ralliesā¦but the country isnāt some monolith of Nazism like youāre saying it it. The Nazis are a powerful minority. Nazis love warā¦on both sides of the border theyāre laughing.
Taking land isnāt necessarily imperialism. Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk all voted to join the Russian Federation, and Russia is annexing them not for resource extraction but to resolve the ethnic cleansing Kiev has levied against the Donbass region, and to create a buffer zone against NATO encirclement. Imperialism is a form of international extraction that functions by maintaining financial domination and monopoly, and using that to super-exploit the global south for super-profits.
There is no evidence whatsoever that Russia is trying to āgrab Poland, the Baltics, and the rest of Ukraine.ā This is entirely fabricated on your end, Russia has no reason to do so nor is there any information on that.
Iām not saying Ukraine is majority Nazi. I said the leadership is full of Nazis, because the Nazis took power during the Euromaidan coup. The people arenāt all Nazis, just like Statesians arenāt all MAGA, but just like pro-America rallies are almost all MAGA, nationalist rallies in Ukraine draw out the neo-Nazis. The difference between Nazis in Russia and Ukraine is that in Ukraine they actually control the government, in Russia there are just small pockets.
Sometimes you seem like a reasonable personā¦but it all goes out the window when you present open Russian deception like calling those propaganda tools āelectionsā. Those referendums were clearly staged by the militaryā¦the Crimean one laughably so, with 97% support. Youāre also telling on yourself when you use odd language like the annexations werenāt for resource extraction. Who said they were? Crimea is a port and the others are (were) industrial hubs and a land border to the former.
No evidence? Seeā¦comments like that donāt make we want to continue with youā¦and itās an insult that you expect me not to believe my lying ears. You know very well Putin, Medvedev and many others have repeatedly referred to Poland and the Baltics as occupied & openly bloviated about annexing them. Theyāve literally massed forces on the border with them, and every other piece of āevidenceā one could possible needā¦overt or implied. Trying to deny Russkiy Mir is just weird. I didnāt even bring up Finland and all the other regions Russian officials have commented on.
Iām going to take a break from you. Pretty unreasonable stuff, here.