• Alaknár@sopuli.xyz
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    1 day ago

    As a software dev I wonder how does this even happen?

    As a guy who runs the Windows environment at work and doesn’t see any of that shit at all - neither at work, nor on my extended family’s devices - I also wonder, how does this even happen?

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      18 hours ago

      it happens by installing windows 11 home or probwithout running a decrapification script or applying gpos to disable it

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        16 hours ago

        None of the Win11 Home, nor Pro instances I’ve seen (and I’ve seen a lot) had that issue.

        I did notice, however, that people complaining about were going very quiet very fast when asked if they used a “debloater” or some such…

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        1 day ago

        My point was that the only time I ever see anything like this happen, is when people complain about it online.

        I’ve managed around 10-20k Windows devices since Windows 10 came out. I’ve never seen a web search take priority over apps search. I’m honestly baffled as to where people are getting these screenshots from.

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          16 hours ago

          I saw it all the time. It drove me nuts. I’m not sure how you literally never see it, because my clean and fresh installs of windows always worked this way until I did a RegEdit update to kill the websearch in it.

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            15 hours ago

            RegEdit update to kill the websearch in it.

            Maybe you have issues with your OS because you keep doing things the wrong way?

            Why are you disabling this in the Registry instead of turning it off through settings?

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              15 hours ago

              The last few times I even had to disable it, there was no setting for it. RegEdit was the way to disable the search-in-start-menu stuff.

              But regardless, I’m still talking about seeing this issue on a fresh install. That’s definitely not something that happens because I fiddle with settings.

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                10 hours ago

                You could always disable it. Just not in the OS settings - you had to open the Search window, go to the cog menu and open settings there.

                But regardless, I’m still talking about seeing this issue on a fresh install. That’s definitely not something that happens because I fiddle with settings.

                In that case either I’m the luckiest bastard on the planet (again: 10-20k users all around the world since Windows 10 dropped and nobody has ever mentioned that problem), or maybe it’s a regional thing that only happens in the US, or something. But then why didn’t my US users complain?

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          1 day ago

          I tried to disable web search entirely and it still prioritizes it over shit on my actual computer. Its infuriating and I will be moving to Linux when I get the time to get off 10.

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            23 hours ago

            Turn it off in settings. Open Search, click the three dots menu, “Search settings” and turn off “Let search apps show results”.

            If you did and they still show up, your OS is busted and you should reinstall. Pro tip: don’t use any “debloaters”, they cause all kinds of headaches.

            EDIT: if this is infuriating to the point you want to switch, skip Linux and go to Mac. Source: Linux user for over a year.

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              11 hours ago

              skip Linux and go to Mac

              no, mac sucks:
              infinitely less customizable, worse game support, the command key works in a very cursed way, the os is spyware, screenshot tool sucks, the “Dock” (app bar) takes 300 to 1200 mb ram and idk why, apple silicon gpu sucks, overpriced hardware, apple account, finder (the files app) is so bad that i often had to use terminal to do what i want (finder has no way to get the filepath, and no way to create a file)

              only advantage of mac is its stability

              and if you decide to install linux on a mac, you could have just bought a normal computer for the same price and the specs would be better, also displayport isn’t supported (yet) so you’re locked to a single display on most macbooks, and also it has the ARM cpu architecture so less software supports it

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                10 hours ago

                no, mac sucks

                It sucks the same as Windows or Linux, just in different ways. We’re used to the way Linux sucks, I’m used to the Windows sucks, we’re both not used to the way Mac sucks, apparently.

                only advantage of mac is its stability

                Which is exactly why I recommend it to someone who’s unreasonable angry at Windows. They’ll have something new to learn, but something that is relatively stable (not as given as it used to be with MacOS 26).

                Linux is weird. Linux is finicky. Linux breaks because you looked at it wrong, or because there was a full Moon while you were eating PB&J. If someone is infuriated by something they can literally turn off in settings, they’ll be completely drowned in anguish if they switch to Linux.

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          22 hours ago

          Haha, sorry, just realised that I read the comment completely wrong somehow

          But to your comment, i have experienced that windows is trying to sort personalised, so order changes based on what you frequently use

          I recognised that because i need to help my coworkers often and while the amount of letters needed to show me the app I need varies a lot

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            23 hours ago

            Ahh, maybe that’s why! Interesting! Also interesting how people end up in that situation and then complain about it online…

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                20 hours ago

                Personalised sorting is very much not AI. Unless you’re suggesting we’ve had AI since the early 90s?

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                    16 hours ago

                    It doesn’t exist “since about 1950”, mate. It’s actually hilarious just thinking about the sheer volume of transistors they’d need to do the basic AI operations back then. :D

                    The concept exists for a long while, sure, but by 2010 we’ve only had “deep learning” as the first stepping stone towards “something like” AI.

                    It most definitely wasn’t possible on the home PC hardware, and it would be absolutely ridiculous to have an “AI” doing this sort of thing, when it can be achieved for a marginal fraction of the resources with a simple weighing and sorting algorithm…