Flanders Festival Ghent says it made decision over lack of ‘clarity’ about incoming conductor Lahav Shani’s views.
While Shani had spoken in favour of “peace and reconciliation” in the past, his attitude towards the “genocidal regime in Tel Aviv” was unclear given his role as the chief conductor of the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra, the festival organisers said.
Good for them. They didn’t want to give a stage to an active nazi hate group member.
These nazi fucks are everywhere, I’m glad someone is trying to keep them away from public speaking opportunities to spread their religious hate.
It’s funny that what looks like a whole Hasbara team has descended on this, including an account used to moderate a very large lemmy.world forum.
Really shows that this kind of thing really worries the Genociders.
It makes sense - evildoers are fine if they can hide behind Country or Organisation because it lets them evade personal consequences for their actions, but when they personally, as individiuals, with no hidding behind some responsibility diffusing entity, suffer consequences for their own participation in the evildoing, it’s a whole different story.
You actually see their fear of their collective cloak being torn down in some of the very “arguments” they’re using here, such as how Israelis should not be held accountable for the actions of Israel (even those who refuse to simply say “I do not support the Genocide in Gaza”), which is exactly about maintaining the nation working as a responsability diffusing cover.
This tells me we need many more actions like this one in Belgium - make accountable the individuals mass murdering Palestinians or supporting that mass murder.
Lemmy seems to be a lot harder for them to astroturf. If this were on Reddit, they might have been successful.
Is everybody arguing with the same person in here? lol
Too lazy/ADHD to scroll through all the comments; what’s going on down there?
Zionism, I believe
Another death cult by another name
Too many pro Israeli shills
What kind of music festival has a conductor?
It’s an orchestra.
Ones with orchestras clearly.
It seems that every Jewish person is now expected to pass an arbitrary moral purity test in order to participate in polite society.
I see things differently. Condemning genocide is not an arbitrary test related moral purity.
And like Jewish Voice for Peace say:
Never Again For Anyone
as well as
Not in our name
I remember liberals being super angry about conservatives requiring all Muslims to “condemn terrorism.”
Did any western country apologized for their colonial past aka terrorism
kinda one time at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apology_Resolution
(If I understand you correctly. I rather hope there are other examples, it would be a weird thing for America to lead the world in.)
And I remember Iranians and Chinese people being refused entry to places because of things their governments did
Please share because I’d like to learn. I can’t think of a single Chinese or Iranian artist who was banned from a performance or display in a European country.
Not gAlienLifeform, but you really couldn’t search “Europe bans {Iranian,Chinese} immigrants?”
Neither of those articles have anything to do with this. He is not immigrating to Belgium.
He was invited as a member of the Munich Philharmonic, then the invitation was rescinded because the organizers didn’t like the optics of a Jewish Israeli conducting at their festival. I personally find that problematic, and a standard that other artists are not held to, despite war crimes or atrocities committed by their Governments.
me: Not gAlienLifeform
I can’t think of a single Chinese or Iranian artist who was banned from a performance or display in a European country
me: [provides examples]
Neither of those articles have anything to do with this.
Read my first point again.
I’m not arguing about Lahav Shani. I’m arguing against European states barring Iranians & Chinese folks just because their states do XYZ.
I plead no contest on Belgians’ collective decision to cancel his performance based on his political views.
We’re talking about an Israeli, not a Jew. One who has a prominent role in the cultural life of that country. As a “liberal”, I would not have had an issue with questions being asked if some high profile Saudis were invited to a festival in October 2001.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
You are missing the point. When did he say that he doesn’t condemn genocide?
Charlie Kirk is dead. You can drop his shtick.
It seems like you are on the attack and defame technique. Pretty hypocritical.
The article literally says that the concert was not canceled because of any of his statements or views. It was cancelled because he is a professional musician in Tel Aviv who is Jewish.
I ask you once again, if that’s not true, then what did he specifically say or do to warrant the cancellation?
It’s not sealioning. People are claiming that he refused to condemn genocide, despite nothing of the sort in the article. It is fair to ask someone to explain or defend something that they specifically claim is factual, which has no basis in reality.
you accuse “people” of making unsubstantiated claims, and immediately follow that accusation with your own unsubstantiated claims.
I guess hypocrisy is only wrong when the other side does it?
despite nothing of the sort in the article.
Oh, so I suppose that nothing exists unless it’s written in the article? No event ever occurred that the article didn’t describe? How much of a sylopsist are you? Lol.
Doesn’t seem that difficult of a test to pass.
Denouncing genocide is pretty easy to do.
Put another way: if he did denounce it, would he still be leading the Israeli orchestra? Doubtful.
Every Israeli person maybe, not every Jewish person, they don’t all live in one small part of the world, גדליה.
what? am i supposed to take responsibility for my government? how are you keepin’ up with that?
In a democracy yes. Israeli voted for netenyahu 6 times
may i ask for which government you take responsibility?
I have talked with a handful of Israelis and all of them are heartless racists that support the genocide.
I think the good Israelis are only a few percent.
Sadly true, as an Israeli, i don’t know
manyany others besides my partner that see the genocide for what it is, the situation feels very hopelessMy ex-girlfriend was American and half-Jewish (on her father’s side), thoroughly non-religious and very liberal. But after high school she spent a summer in Israel on kibbutz and somehow it made her completely insane on the subject of the Palestinians. She talked about how they needed to be exterminated and that Israel was completely right in what they were doing (and this was the '90s). If I tried to argue with her she insisted that I couldn’t understand since I’d never been to Israel. It was like talking to someone possessed by a demon.
I’m sorry you had to go through something like that, i can only say I’m vaguely familiar with the feeling of seeing this from someone as close as a significant other.
Hope you’ll find someone new you’ll see eye to eye with.
may i ask when you were visiting Israel?
I have not visited it.
Even the Russians are held accountable for their government and they don’t have fair elections.
yes, stupidity is everywhere.
i said maybe, not every Israeli is responsible for their fascist state, but shit, a lot of them are, even the liberals who always were just fascists and now have no problem with the genocide in Gaza.
I would know, i have to interact with them every day.
I never had any power or representation though, and was always against all of this even if I’m not really active, always concerned with survival and escape, so i don’t think a person like myself is responsible, I’m not gonna point a finger at any powerless person that has to look at this shit from the inside.
So yeah, maybe, it depends.
Well, considering Israelis aren’t going to receive any justice otherwise, social justice is the next best option.
They only have themselves to blame.
not supporting a genocide is arbitrary?
Why would non Israeli Jews have to denounce the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians?
The conductor was Israeli.
Why are you assuming the religiosity of an Israeli person?
He is literally Jewish.
I have never heard of this type of moral panic over a Palestinian Israeli, or a Druze Israeli for example. It doesn’t seem to be about just citizenship.
Source? The article only confirms that he is Israeli, doesn’t mention his religion at all. Because it’s not fucking relevant.
Russian citizens who refused to condemning the Ukraine invasion have faced similar consequence. There’s plenty of precedent internationally for these sorts of decisions. The only difference here is that Israel has been purposefully supplying propaganda for decades to conflate antizionism with antisemitism.
Yes, he is Jewish. That is his ethnicity. Feel free to look it up.
Where in the article does it say that he refused to condemn anything? It actually says that he has made statements in favor of peace and reconciliation.
Belgian Foreign Minister Maxime Prevot said the cancellation seemed “excessive. …We must not confuse the Jewish community and Israelis with Netanyahu’s policies,”
The German Culture Minister Wolfram Weimer criticized the move as a “disgrace for Europe. …Under the guise of supposed criticism of Israel, a cultural boycott is being carried out here,” he said in a statement.
What’s happening in Gaza is Israeli policy, the majority of them support it.
I have never heard of this type of moral panic over a Palestinian Israeli,
Uh huh
Do you know of an example? I’m always open to learn.
I feel like maybe your confusion comes from the fact that you don’t realize over 20% of Israeli citizens are of Palestinian ethnicity.
Give me a break.
Thought I would put a little work into your question; I checked a random musician from this list and looked for recent news. They’ve literally been doing charity shows to get support for gaza.
It seems like some groups of people in israel feel there is an emergency that cannot be ignored; and some who do not.
Sorry sir your victim card has expired.
How long does that take?
What a disgusting statement, when someone who has spoken up for peace and reconciliation is banned from a European country based on the city where he was born and his ethnicity. It wouldn’t be right for someone from China, it wouldn’t be right for someone from Syria, it wouldn’t be right in ANY circumstance.
nitpick: they were banned not from a country, but from a music hall; no?
Yes, actually that’s fair. A German Philharmonic was canceled from a Belgian festival simply because the conductor is Israeli.
Based on the comments and vote, it seems that most people here think that is justified and appropriate.
Liberal Zionists are no different to any other Zionist, they are just better at dressing up apartheid and genocide in palatable, rhetorically pleasing language for Western audiences. Unless Israelis renounce Zionism and call for full equality of Palestinians they are only there as ambassadors to culture wash the crimes of their colony.
You sound like the type who supported Trump when he said, “there’s good people on both sides” if you actually think that limp two-sided non-statement is worth a damn. It’s laughable.
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Would be true if it was a non jewish israeli
Do you deny the genocide in Gaza?
The Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra performs with the IDF Orchestra.
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Soon they’ll have to wear special armbands and the idiots captured by Iranian propaganda still won’t pull their heads out of their asses.
