Yes an no, Macron was elected against LePen.
This in itself is a problem but macron himself said he was “obliged to the left”, then he proceeded to name 7 right wing prime ministers, after his party losing all other non presidential votes. So yes, we voted (reluctantly for some) for him, but he kept wanting to push his policies even after the ppl voted against him several times.
I agree with you that he should resign because he made a mess and does not follow the will of a majority of the French.
But as far as calling France a failed democracy that I do not agree with. A flawed democracy sure, but than again even a good democracy does not protect the people from making choices on flawed information or ignorance.
You’re wrong. It is indeed a fake democracy and many organization, are pointing this.
He lost elections for his government and put 3 Prime Minister from the losing party in a row.
And there are many other things Emmanuel Macron did to attack democracy. Amnesty International pointed the abuse of force use with his violent police, for example.
We are currently in the 5th republic, Wich was created by Charles de Gaulle during the decolonization of Algeria.These times required a concentration of powers to ensure stability, such as constitutional tools allowing to bypass votes in parliament.
We are not AT ALL in the same situation as then.
I personally think that we need a 6th republic, with more direct votes from the citizens.
Also, even if I know that it would never happen, I would like to change the current voting method from 2 turn vote with elimination to something else like a rating of all candidates, which would remove the current “1rst round vote strategically, 2nd vote vote against the worst one” Wich gives no room to vote for your convictions for a large part of the voters.
At last, what I would love to see is a parliament made from randomly picked up citizens. We could have professors, students, bakers, masons as well as doctors or architects or whatever other profession as representatives instead of the current politicians. This would obviously require a lot of work, including at least 6 month of training for the randomly selected representatives but I think it is a small price to pay.
These are just ideas and I know this is completely naive to think any of these could be implemented but there is alternatives, there is a whole area of academic studies dedicated to more democratic regimes.
You’re basically proving their point for them. If a wrong election turns your democracy into a police state, then you were not living in a true democracy in the first place. And don’t get me started on a democracy where the same assholes get elected for 40+ years
France is not a police state, I fully agree that the police is way too violent but that is not equal to a police state.
France has many problemes but it is still a democracy and they can still vote for change.
Then Macron named 3 Prime Minister from the right party in a row. Vote can change things, you said? Please explain, you seem to know my country so well.
We tried many things : petitions, they are either removed or they say they do not care. Protest, people lost eyes, hands and one person was killed. During protest they took ideas from people, promised to look at them and never did. Then we voted, left won and was never called to form a government.
There is no democracy here. Only an illusion of it. Democracy is not only voting every 5 years.
Oh and not to mention our deputees do not vote because government uses everything it can in the Constitution to pass their unpopular laws through force.
It is not a fake democracy they just voted in an asshole.
Yes an no, Macron was elected against LePen. This in itself is a problem but macron himself said he was “obliged to the left”, then he proceeded to name 7 right wing prime ministers, after his party losing all other non presidential votes. So yes, we voted (reluctantly for some) for him, but he kept wanting to push his policies even after the ppl voted against him several times.
I agree with you that he should resign because he made a mess and does not follow the will of a majority of the French.
But as far as calling France a failed democracy that I do not agree with. A flawed democracy sure, but than again even a good democracy does not protect the people from making choices on flawed information or ignorance.
You’re wrong. It is indeed a fake democracy and many organization, are pointing this.
He lost elections for his government and put 3 Prime Minister from the losing party in a row.
And there are many other things Emmanuel Macron did to attack democracy. Amnesty International pointed the abuse of force use with his violent police, for example.
We are currently in the 5th republic, Wich was created by Charles de Gaulle during the decolonization of Algeria.These times required a concentration of powers to ensure stability, such as constitutional tools allowing to bypass votes in parliament. We are not AT ALL in the same situation as then.
So apperently I am wrong. What would make a future France less of a police state and more democratic than now?
I personally think that we need a 6th republic, with more direct votes from the citizens. Also, even if I know that it would never happen, I would like to change the current voting method from 2 turn vote with elimination to something else like a rating of all candidates, which would remove the current “1rst round vote strategically, 2nd vote vote against the worst one” Wich gives no room to vote for your convictions for a large part of the voters.
At last, what I would love to see is a parliament made from randomly picked up citizens. We could have professors, students, bakers, masons as well as doctors or architects or whatever other profession as representatives instead of the current politicians. This would obviously require a lot of work, including at least 6 month of training for the randomly selected representatives but I think it is a small price to pay.
These are just ideas and I know this is completely naive to think any of these could be implemented but there is alternatives, there is a whole area of academic studies dedicated to more democratic regimes.
You’re basically proving their point for them. If a wrong election turns your democracy into a police state, then you were not living in a true democracy in the first place. And don’t get me started on a democracy where the same assholes get elected for 40+ years
France is not a police state, I fully agree that the police is way too violent but that is not equal to a police state. France has many problemes but it is still a democracy and they can still vote for change.
We did vote :
Left parties 1st Far right 2nd Right 3rd
Then Macron named 3 Prime Minister from the right party in a row. Vote can change things, you said? Please explain, you seem to know my country so well.
We tried many things : petitions, they are either removed or they say they do not care. Protest, people lost eyes, hands and one person was killed. During protest they took ideas from people, promised to look at them and never did. Then we voted, left won and was never called to form a government.
There is no democracy here. Only an illusion of it. Democracy is not only voting every 5 years.
Oh and not to mention our deputees do not vote because government uses everything it can in the Constitution to pass their unpopular laws through force.
No, it is equal
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/eur210032009en.pdf
https://www.enar-eu.org/france-gives-police-permission-to-spy/#%3A~%3Atext=This+unprecedented+surveillance+power+raises%2Ccapabilities+to+an+alarming+degree.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/24/france-big-brother-surveillance-powers#%3A~%3Atext=The+French+bill+allows+intelligence%2CPhotograph%3A+Regis+Duvignau%2FReuters
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/western-central-and-south-eastern-europe/france/report-france/#%3A~%3Atext=In+December+the+UN+Human+Rights+Committee+expressed+grave+concern%2Carrests%2C+forced+evacuations+and+demonstrations.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/france#%3A~%3Atext=The+Council+of+State+ruled%2Ccase-by-case+basis.