It clearly delineates their spheres of influence and how they’ll divide Poland after the war. Damage control, opportunistic land grab, whatever side you fall on, I don’t think the fact of the agreement is in doubt (though there’s still a conspiracy theory about it)
It was an agreement for the Nazis to not press beyond certain boundaries, which is what prevented Poland from being entirely colonized by the genocidal Nazis, and the intent on the Soviet side was to stall the Nazis. There were no long-term plans for alliance.
The Soviet Union was not on a quest to colonize Poland, it didn’t have the same economic base pushing for imperialism that the dying capitalist system of Nazi Germany had. The USSR needed to internally industrialize, Nazi Germany needed to colonize. Do you think countries go to war for fun?
Like mentioned before, you were arguing they weren’t planning on attacking and dividing Poland. The division is clearly there so that part should be something we at least agree on.
There was no agreement to attack and divide Poland. There was an agreement that if Poland fell, the Nazis would not extend beyond a certain line, and that line was largely territory Poland had recently siezed from Lithuania and Ukraine.
Yes the agreement that “if Poland happened to fell (for no particular reason), this is the lines according to which we’ll divide it”. And then very soon after signing the agreement they both invaded Poland and divided it according to that agreement.
If this was a secret agreement, then why not agree to invade jointly? Why wait 17 days, after Poland had fallen to the Nazis? Because it was always a way to stall the Nazis.
From the beginning, the German government repeatedly asked Molotov whether the Soviet Union would keep to its side of the partition bargain.[95][96] The Soviet forces were holding fast along their designated invasion points pending finalization of the five-month-long undeclared war with Japan in the Far East, successful end of the conflict for the Soviet Union, which occurred in the Battles of Khalkhin Gol. On 15 September 1939, Molotov and Shigenori Tōgō completed their agreement that ended the conflict, and the Nomonhan ceasefire went into effect on 16 September 1939. Now cleared of any “second front” threat from the Japanese, Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin ordered his forces into Poland on 17 September.
It clearly delineates their spheres of influence and how they’ll divide Poland after the war. Damage control, opportunistic land grab, whatever side you fall on, I don’t think the fact of the agreement is in doubt (though there’s still a conspiracy theory about it)
It was an agreement for the Nazis to not press beyond certain boundaries, which is what prevented Poland from being entirely colonized by the genocidal Nazis, and the intent on the Soviet side was to stall the Nazis. There were no long-term plans for alliance.
And for Soviet Union to not press beyond a certain boundary. That’s how those divisions generally work.
The Soviet Union was not on a quest to colonize Poland, it didn’t have the same economic base pushing for imperialism that the dying capitalist system of Nazi Germany had. The USSR needed to internally industrialize, Nazi Germany needed to colonize. Do you think countries go to war for fun?
Like mentioned before, you were arguing they weren’t planning on attacking and dividing Poland. The division is clearly there so that part should be something we at least agree on.
There was no agreement to attack and divide Poland. There was an agreement that if Poland fell, the Nazis would not extend beyond a certain line, and that line was largely territory Poland had recently siezed from Lithuania and Ukraine.
Yes the agreement that “if Poland happened to fell (for no particular reason), this is the lines according to which we’ll divide it”. And then very soon after signing the agreement they both invaded Poland and divided it according to that agreement.
If this was a secret agreement, then why not agree to invade jointly? Why wait 17 days, after Poland had fallen to the Nazis? Because it was always a way to stall the Nazis.
Aside from optics, that