• Zink@programming.dev
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    This crap has to be part of Krasnov’s mission to weaken and dismantle the US.

    The entire developed world has fertility rates well below population maintenance levels. Countries are going to need to attract immigrants to keep their work forces and tax bases stable, never mind growing them.

    The USA is going to have problems attracting immigrants for decades if not generations, unless some crazy shit unexpectedly changes for the better with our government.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/total-fertility-rate

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        Funny how that’s almost always relevant in these messed up situations.

        But this might transcend that a bit. If we shifted to a decent system that put humans first, we would still need agriculture at the same huge scale even if it was managed by communities and co-ops. Many jobs in that sector that are filled by cheap undocumented migrants are already ones that Americans won’t do. I could see there still being an issue getting the work done.

        Of course, if individuals were more involved in the sourcing of their food and even worked outside on some gardening, it would benefit them greatly. We’d want whole education campaigns to help with that.

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          still require agriculture

          Im talking about the ‘must always grow’ shit. Yes we still need food

          immigrants

          Fuck borders. Why? What’s the benefit of them to actual people? They’re just problems. Let people ho where they want.

          people shouldn’t be alienated from their food

          Agree.

          fuck corporate (thing)

          Agree

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          Here’s a wacky idea: if Americans won’t do it, Americans don’t get to eat. Let’s see how long it takes for things to change…

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            So yeah, many people could use that kind of tough love and reconnecting with the basic realities of life. It would legitimately improve the mental and physical health of the population too.

            Unfortunately the conservatives have already claimed the strategy of starving the young and the infirm because their parents or caretakers aren’t good enough worker bees.

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              Or physically can’t.

              This country is also way too big and its climates are way too varied to support its population on small subsistence farms all year long.

              We could do it that way a century and a half ago, but even then we were reliant on industrialized farming and food production.

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      People will still come to USA. Even if trump discontinues birth right citizenship people from third world countries will still want to come to USA whether illegally or legally. The thing is by denying citizenship to immigrants trump will be able to create an army of cheap labours and companies will pay him a lot more for those labourers. Because if you are illegal immigrant and want work to help your family at home you will be willing to do anything. That’s what trump and his friends want. They will hire cheap labour, pay very less, exploit excessively and then escape from the clutches of the law.

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        This is enlightening on this dark, fascist move. It’s a bureaucratic way to implement slavery. Keep these humans on a knife’s edge to control them. Deport them or threaten to deport them at any time, to a foreign or domestic concentration camp where a corporation can leech off their family or the government to pay for their incarceration. Krasnov the Donvict indeed. This gets more dystopian the more I think about it. Their greed is an endless abyss of depravity. It’s like they’re controlled by a person with the human values of a diabolical pedo.

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        I disagree. As it ramps up, it will become more and more risky and less and less people will want to emigrate especially as economic opportunities lie elsewhere.

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        Sure, the US will have cheap workers, but high skilled migrants will prefer other countries. This is not just going to hit farm workers after all.