TJ Hoover was declared brain dead after suffering an overdose in October 2021, but his sister Donna Rhorer says doctors attempted to harvest his organs while he was still showing signs of life.
Rhorer says TJ’s eyes were open and tracking movement during his honor walk, when family members gather to say goodbye before organ donation surgery.
“Almost immediately as soon as his honor walk started, his eyes were opened, and they were tracking, looking around at the people that were there,” Rhorer said.
That’s a fucking nightmare. Definitely in my top fears, waking up on a surgery table
Not just the surgery table, but the organ harvesting table.
This smells all kinds of weird.
“Almost immediately as soon as his honor walk started, his eyes were opened, and they were tracking, looking around at the people that were there,” Rhorer said.
…and you didn’t draw attention to that? That’d be a pretty solid cue to stop the honor walk and get the doc over. Also none of the techs/nurses/doctors noticed??
TJ’s declaring physician believed he showed too many signs of life to continue with the surgery, but KODA wanted to proceed anyway.
…and you still declared it, and didn’t raise a stink with patient advocacy or the head of the hospital? Or the individual surgeons on the harvest team?
They also don’t mention how far they got in the surgery. Like was the anesthesiologist starting to intubate him and noticed his eyes moving and called for a stop before n incision was made? Or were they a kidney or two into the operation?
I’ve been scrubbed into two organ harvest surgeries; I’ve been scheduled for five - the other three canceled because the patient didn’t meet the super strict criteria as they died. Hospitals are all about covering their ass to avoid situations like the one reported. They’ll push you to cut corners on things like room turnover time (which is still fucked) but not things that put them in situations like this.
I’m not familiar with KODA or “Network for Hope”, so maybe they’re just extra shitty, but take this one with a mountain of salt.
Organ harvests are super important procedures - we don’t just have a backstock of healthy livers in the OR core; there’s a backlog of deathly ill patients clinging to the hope that their phone rings with news of a match. People are already hesitant to sign up as donors because surgery is genuinely scary as fuck; we don’t need half-assed journalism pouring fuel on that fire. If shit is actually happening, by all means report on it, but give enough details to make it credible… or if it’s a nothingburger that you’re hyping up for clicks, maybe shut the fuck up, cuz that’ll prolong peoples’ misery / get them killed.
Kentucky organization allegedly began harvesting organs from people who may not have been dead.
No shit
How else can you guarantee freshness?
Makes me reconsider being an organ donor. They were trying to “euthanize” him to sell his organs. This was attempted murder for profit.
The sad thing is we desperately need people to stay organ donors if organ transplants that save lives are to stay a thing and these ethical catastrophes that should lead to mass arrests instead end with people leaving the registry and seemingly 0 consequences for the ghouls that caused the issue…
It’s not unlikely this will cause shortages for people in need that was completely preventable due to greed and capitalism.
Spot on. I’ve had my donor registration sitting on my desk for the last few years, and I’ve been deliberating on it because I don’t trust capitalism not to create perverse incentives and do fucked up shit just like this.
That, and I don’t want my remains to just be a tool to help fund some CEO’s yacht.
Reading this, I feel even more justified in my concern, and it definitely could affect my ultimate decision.
If you’ve had it for years sitting there you where never going to sign it.
Not only that but the reduction in organ supply will be a windfall for shareholders! I see this as an absolute win! USA, USA!
Oh common, there are plenty of murder attempts at you for profit!
Bro, I know how capitalism works.
i once posted a question on another forum a while ago about organ donation, what if we can decide which organs go to which persons, so it would mitigate some of these issues,
If you can decide where your organs go, wouldn’t you decide to keep them for yourself? Dude wasn’t brain dead they say…
This is a rash conclusion to jump to
What other conclusion is there?
That it would be horrible to deny people a chance at life because you read a shitty clickbait article
I have heard other anecdotes of doctors pushing families into cutting support so they can use the organs. Seems plausible to me
Yes this sort of bullshit is why lots of people die needlessly. Some lie that a friend of a friend supposedly “knew”. It’s conspiracy nonsense that would only ever make a shred of sense if the doctor pushing for it personally knew the recipient and also knew they were a match. Not saying it’s never happened but calling it dubious is too kind.
Read the article. It was plainly stated, that’s why I put euthanize in quotations as that was the terminology used by the staff attempting to murder him.
Then that is a shit-ass article not worth my time. Pretty obvious no one would admit to doing that if they were. What the hell is wrong with you to believe that?
You’re a rude piece of shit, fuck off.
Look who is talking, psycho. Lol “they were euthanizing these people!!111”
“I’m not dead yet!”
He says he’s not dead.
And he’s not medically qualified to give that kind if diagnosis /s
Patient: I’m not dead! Surgeon: I’m a surgeon and I say your dead, lay still and be quiet as I harvest your organs mr smith.
That’s terrifying, sounds like it’d happen in a FNAF book. Think it has actually.
Waking up, look at them removing your lungs “I’m not done using those”
Just capitalism things. I hate what they’ve done to this country.
Happens in capitalist china too
I mean, it’s almost like regardless of the economic, political, religious (etc.) framework they’re operating within bad people will do bad things to one another for personal gain or something.
Yup
But bad systems create the incentives. Chalking it up to “bad people doing bad things” is a shallow analysis that does nothing to address the underlying problem. If you replaced all the “bad people” with “good people” you would see the same problems re-emerge due to the perverse incentives created by the profit motive.
I don’t know why there are never any business school shooters (I mean obviously it’s because people who go to them are out to take as much for themselves as possible, but you know what I mean)
That’s actually a good point, even if a bit macabre. Luigi took out a health insurance ghoul. Business majors doom us all. I’m not the only one to draw that conclusion.
I dont see a way out of this mess without people dying so I dont let myself have a gun. But not everyone who thinks this way places the same shackles on themselves.
So why isnt that more common?
If anyone would like to learn more about the powers that be that resulted in this disaster, here’s an article that goes over how the orgs that manage organ donation, inducing pressure on medical staff and introduce a conflict of interest.
Are organs from people dead for overdose useful? I would guess they would be full of drugs or other damage.
My guess would be that some may not be viable because of certain drugs but that doesn’t mean all of them are. You probably wouldn’t want the liver of a heavy drinker but thier lungs are probably fine?
If it’s a question between a slightly cirrhosis liver or no liver at all? Wouldn’t it be better to get the alcoholic liver?
eBay at it again. Silly!
’90s eBay was wild
