• weeeeum@lemmy.world
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    “Well they aren’t concentration camps, but even if they are, they aren’t that bad, but even if they are that bad, those people deserve it, and even if they were innocent, there are a lot who aren’t, and even if they are all innocent, we need to exterminate brown people”

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      Auschwitz was an extermination camp, not just a concentration camp though.

      For now, it’s much more like Alligator Dachau. That was the nazi’s first and flagship concentration camp used for propaganda.

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          I mean, yeah? An extermination camps is arguably several magnitudes worse than a concentration camp, isn’t it?

          That doesn’t detract from both being horrific.

          Hyperbole and analogies are just two conflicting figures of speech. The overall message is weakened than if either is used by itself.

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              Dachau? No, it never became an extermination camp. Hell, I visited the memorial site and know about its history to some extent (though certainly far less than actual historians).

              It killed tens of thousands still, especially in the later parts of WW2. But its purpose was still to concentrate enemies of the state and not to exterminate them.

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              I’m not necessarily a fan of using words from nazi-germany to describe MAGA shit, because it allows the maga-fascists to say they’re not as bad as the nazi-fascists (which I believe is true, for now). But if you’re gonna do, I don’t think this is how you should do it.

              I don’t have to explain that if you use a thing and put a new word for it, you get a new thing (for example, New York is different than York). But the thing is, you can’t always know what connotations people have with the added word. A toy car and a super car are both cars, but you know one of those doesn’t have an engine. The word toy downgrades how serious it is compared to just the word car alone. The opposite is true for summer camp and concentration camp, where concentration adds a different meaning to the word camp.

              Because Auswitz is most of all known as a place where millions of people were killed and, putting a new word in front most of the time will make it actually sound less awful. Alligator Auswitz, at least to me, makes it sound like a less deadly place than ‘normal’ Auswitz.

              Auswitz Alcatraz on the other hand sounds like a deadlier version of the ‘normal’ Alcatraz.

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            How many people have to die of negligence before it becomes an extermination camp? Or does the term extermination camp necessitate active acts of murder?

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        Ah yes technically correct. Alligator Auschwitz is just catchier for political purposes and frankly close enough to evoke the intended feelings

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          It might happen here, which is why Dachau would be the more apt comparison in my opinion.

          But right now, it’s certainly not anything like Auschwitz. The Japanese Internment Camps you had some decades ago weren’t Auschwitzes either.

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    This is fucking stupid. It’s when you concentrate as group in a place. That fucking simple. And it’s, it’s always horrible

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      Concerts stress me out too with all that people concentrated in a small place, but I think I would be more stressed in Auschwitz.

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        No no no, it’s where you learn to make partially dehydrated juice that you can freeze for easy storage and just add water to when you’re ready to make it.

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      So is a prison a concentration camp? Is a jail a concentration camp?

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    This image has characteristics of generative AI, but I’ll allow it considering the importance of the subject (and because I didn’t catch it before)

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      yhea, this is definitely a skeleton:

      As much as I dislike AI, it’s getting accepted into the norm. the genie is out of the bottle. We’re stuck with it now.

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        I find genAI imagery extremely uncanny and creepy, and I can’t condone the usage of a system whose creators yearn for a day where companies won’t have to pay human creators anymore and can simply funnel their funds directly into the pockets of giant corporations instead.

        Additionally, commercial-scale generative AI is already destroying the environment in communities across the world due to its power use.

        It’s not something I can accept nor condone, and I will continue to shame people for facilitating the transfer of wealth and destruction of our environment.

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          Speaking as a professional “creative”, art and commerce are antithetical. I’ll be happy to see the relationship end.

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          yhea, you’re not wrong.

          the funny thing about AI,

          I’ve seen artists use AI to make amazing art, but it takes them hours, and AI is more of a really fancy brush.

          however a non artist can arbitrarily create slop.

          the key is still love and hard work.

          that’s what separates soulless slop and someone who just used some AI to fill a background a bit.

          Uncreative slop is the problem, and AI makes it trivial to create it.

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            To be clear, I’m perfectly ok with ethically trained (open-source weights and data set) generative AI being used locally on a small scale, I think generative AI is a double-edged technology like anything else.

            It should never be the end product, but simply a tool.

            In this picture here, you can see the skeleton is weird and other images and text is a bit wonky, these elements should have been touched up by a human. This is what I consider slop, raw AI output has this look and feel to it that makes it immediately identifiable, it is up to the artist to touch it up and adjust colours. Again, it should never be the final product. Something as simple as text should probably have been created normally.

            I’m against Meta, Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, MidJourney, etc.'s use of generative AI for the reasons stated above, but small scale genAI on your local device? Go for it.

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        I challenge you or anyone else who thinks this is AI to try to duplicate the image using any standard gen AI tooling. Please post what you get, I fucking dare you.

        This is 100% crappy vector art thrown together into a crappy infographic by hand, and that thing on the bottom of the skeleton is called a pelvis.

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            Ah that’s fair, I can see where you’re coming from on that. Those icons could 100% be generated with AI given the right prompting.

            In my book, they look way more like stock assets to me due to how generic the symbols are, and the consistent styling. The “army guard” icon is kinda sus because of the stick “gun”, but that can be read as deliberate ambiguity to appease potential corporate customers who don’t want gun depictions in their vector stock images, and same deal with the generic “six point star”.

            You’d also think they’d have chosen some sort of more detailed depiction of “isolation & surveillance” than a megaphone, or a lightning head for “fear & control”. If any of the accompanying text was included in the prompt to generate these images, the output would’ve been completely different.