This would be a lot more tinfoilesque were a court case on the matter not already underway in New York.
The missing votes uncovered in Smart Electionsā legal case in Rockland County, New York, are just the tip of the icebergāan iceberg that extends across the swing states and into Texas.
On Monday, an investigatorās story finally hit the news cycle: Pro V&V, one of only two federally accredited testing labs, approved sweeping last-minute updates to ES&S voting machines in the months leading up to the 2024 electionāwithout independent testing, public disclosure, or full certification review.
These changes were labeled āde minimisāāa term meant for trivial tweaks. But they touched ballot scanners, altered reporting software, and modified audit filesāyet were all rubber-stamped with no oversight.
That revelation is a shock to the public.
But for those whoāve been digging into the bizarre election data since November, this isnāt the headlineāitās the final piece to the puzzle. While Pro V&V was quietly updating equipment in plain sight, a parallel operation was unfolding behind the curtainābetween tech giants and Donald Trump.
Thereās plenty of evidence if you go look at the data. Itās been artificially smoothed.
Yes across all the tabulator machines. They started to shift votes once a given tabulator had counted 400 votes to mask it.
They went back and looked and seems the pattern was present in the past few elections. This is why Trump was so convinced the dems cheated. The people outvoted a vote shifting algorithm. They shifted votes after 600 min in the 2020 election.
They also found the algorithm that does this, the admin access password publicly on git, and the code used to flash the tabulators.
Itās absolutely nothing like Trumps batshit baseless claims.
Analysis for a few states out, 11 more underway.
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
See, this is exactly what the conservatives say when you ask āwell, how did Trump win in 2016 and 2024 if the elections are rigged?ā Obviously, the sheer power of True American Patriots overwhelmed the Democratic rigging. Itās not any more sensible when we do it.
I canāt say I read everything here, but what I did looked mostly like āthese numbers seem funny to me.ā Which is reason to look further, sure, but far short of definitive proof. Is there any reason to believe the vote tabulators were running this compromised code, or had default passwords set? Is there an independent statistics expert saying ātheyāre right, this is suspiciousā? A confession by one of what must have been hundreds of co-conspirators in this, apparently, multi-year project that has perfectly evaded scrutiny until these folks found the truth? Itās an extraordinary claim, and the bar for believing it hasnāt even come close to being met.
Again, no, conservatives have ZERO fucking evidence. Trump got laughed out of courts by judges he appointed. He didnāt even try to lie he brought like tweets of pictures of people carrying boxes and said ālook! Fraud!ā
It was completely brain dead.
There are at least three independent groups who have been publicly researching it since just after the election. The group i linked also gave it to two separate independent researchers and made sure they came to the conclusions. The odds Trump couldāve won the way he did is one in 50 octillion
You telling me the guy who done a fake elector scheme, tried to solicit fake votes from states, and turn over the election illegitimately didnāt fucking try to cheat in every way possible? Give me a break. The dems didnāt check or knowingly turned a blind eye.
It wouldnāt have taken hundreds of people, very few. The lawsuits will progress, the bar for me giving it credibility is lack of a coherent debunk.
https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/im-not-saying-pennsylvania-was-stolen
https://www.wjbf.com/business/press-releases/accesswire/1033393/retransmission-2024-presidential-and-senate-results-called-into-question-as-lawsuit-advances/
https://thiswillhold.substack.com/p/she-won-they-didnt-just-change-the
https://dissentinbloom.substack.com/p/the-machines-were-changed-before
The breathless reporting and big numbers immediately set off my BS detector. Usually, when a stat says something like āthe odds of this happening purely by chance are 1 In a hojillion!ā itās just bad statistics, for example saying āeven if each of my windows had a 75% chance of breaking in the hurricane, the odds that all of them would break is less than 1%, so clearly someone sabotaged my house!ā No, they were all in the same hurricane, not independent random hurricanes, you canāt just multiply the probabilities like that. Itās very easy to do bad stats and come up with wild results.
It also looks like this is mostly focused on Pennsylvania, where thereās actually more to look at. Again, sure! Itās worth looking into. Letās see evidence that this crosses state lines and isnāt just Pennsylvania. Letās see evidence that the machines really were vulnerable and not just that they couldāve been. Letās find someone who will name names and give specifics about this conspiracy. If this stuff is true, itāll get picked up by more sober voices that arenāt yelling āit was stolen, it was stolen, donāt you all see???ā and then it might be worth tuning in.
Your hurricane analogy doesnāt hold because the point isnāt that a bunch of unrelated events magically lined up, itās that the same anomalies showed up in the same voting systems, in multiple places, under almost identical conditions. The statistical models donāt treat these like random broken windows, they test how likely the same patterns could happen systematically without manipulation.
Pennsylvania is just the latest focus partly because Trump basically said it himself:
What does that even mean if itās not hinting at interference?
And itās not just Pennsylvania. There is detailed analysis for Clark County, Nevada, drop-off rate studies covering six states, and ongoing work expanding that to eleven more full states.
More importantly, this is not just about statistics. In Coffee County, Georgia, Trump lawyer Sidney Powell actually hired a tech team to access and copy Dominion voting system software and data. There is security footage, emails, invoices, and sworn testimony proving it happened. Powell was indicted for conspiracy to commit computer crimes and ended up pleading guilty to multiple counts, admitting what they did and agreeing to testify against others.
This was not a one-off either. Similar breaches happened in Michigan and Colorado, which is why in December 2023 almost two dozen well-known election security experts and computer scientists signed an open letter warning that Trump allies were behind a coordinated multistate effort to breach voting software that runs most of the countryās ballots.
Itās always projection with these people; if theyāre accusing the other side of doing something, chances are theyāre the ones doing it. Itās like your daft cousin who keeps yelling āStop cheating!ā during a board game while heās got extra cards hidden up his sleeve. They think the Democrats are rigging the election, so theyāre busy rigging it themselves to tilt the scales their way.
So it really doesnāt matter if you personally believe every detail or not. The point is there is so much credible evidence, with real people charged and pleading guilty, that we should be shouting about it until it gets a real, independent investigation.
Iām open to the idea that there might be something here, I just havenāt seen anything particularly compelling, itās all been very typical conspiracy theory stuff. The Trump lawyer thing I did hear about, I donāt remember anything about actually changing results though, just unauthorized access. Trump saying something suspicious, well, he says a lot of stuff. The drop off rates being different between the two candidates seems sensible to me, Iād expect quite a few Trump voters to just care about Trump and not the rest of the races, and less so on the Democratic side. Itās the reason turnout now seems to help Republicans, theyāve won over a lot of unreliable voters and Trump brings them out better than most. A coordinated, multi-state conspiracy to rig the election seems very unlikely to stay completely airtight for over a year.
Is there a source that specifically claims that these anomalies are happening in states using the same voting system and not in others? I havenāt seen that in anything linked to me so far, and that would be at least interesting.
Lot of handwaving in this post, go read the full report. There were multiple breaches.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941
What does it mean though?
The point is that happened at an unprecedented rate which appears unnatural. Historically drop-off rates donāt show that level of extreme split between presidential and down-ballot races, even among single-issue or personality-driven voters. Again more handwaving based on vibes
It didnāt, itās been public the full time youāve just not been listening.
Thereās clear evidence that anomalies correlate with specific machines (ES&S/Dominion), but only in strategic states/counties, not wherever those machines are used., The Election Truth Alliance noted in their Clark County NV analysis that anomalies appeared in high-volume ES&S tabulators, seen in a swing county but not replicated in other counties using the same machines. A Planet Critical deepādive found that ābullet ballotsā ā votes cast for only president, skipping down-ballot races ā spiked dramatically in swing states using ES&S tabulators, with Trump bullet ballots at 7.2% in Arizona and 5.5% in Nevada, and 11% in North Carolina. By contrast, these same systems in nearby non-swing states (Oregon, Utah, Idaho) saw a spike of less than 0.05%.
If the anomalies were due to random mechanical faults or uniform software bugs, youād expect to see them statewide - but thatās not what the numbers show.
https://www.planetcritical.com/p/cyber-security-experts-warn-election-hacked
ā¦ did you read the update to that last link? Kinda undermined quite a bit of this.
Iām open to the idea that a conspiracy happened. We know they arenāt above things like sending an alternate slate of electoral votes and then hoping to override the legitimate results in Congress, because that absolutely did happen. But stealing seven separate elections in all the swing states is a hell of a tough job, and harder to do it without being caught for months. If it did happen, thereād be more evidence than just statistical anomalies within the official results. Youād see people recorded as voting who say they never did, youād see exit polls that donāt make sense, youād see an audit reveal missing paper ballots, thereād be something more. And even if it was the perfect crime, youāll need to find a flaw to actually get anything done about it anyway. There isnāt enough here to say it happened. Thereās enough to look into some suspicious stuff in a few places, and go ahead and check those out, but donāt get your hopes up or say that itās the only conclusion. The simplest and most obvious answer remains the most likely: the country elected Trump by choice.
I hadnāt, but itās only about the bullet-ballots, which are a small part of it.
There are signs beyond just raw stats and itās not only about bullet ballots.
How? The point isnāt fake voters. The claim is that the system changed how some real votes were counted, flipping votes above a certain limit for certain people. In Rockland County, NY, you have sworn affidavits from real voters saying their votes were missing or miscounted. This isnāt just āI forgot to voteā - these are people whose totals donāt match what the machines reported. Thatās why a judge agreed it deserves discovery.
If the manipulation changed a big enough chunk of votes in a single county, then yes, you would probably see a clear mismatch between the exit poll and the final count. But what people are saying is that the alleged flips were small and spread out - for example, switching just enough votes here and there to stay under the radar.
Exit polls have a margin of error. If the flip is just two or three percent in key spots, it might not stand out because normal voter shifts, turnout differences, or shy-voter effects can explain small gaps. Plus, not every place has a solid local exit poll; some counties donāt even do them at all.
So yes, you could catch a huge flip that way, but if the flips were subtle and spread across many precincts, an exit poll alone probably wouldnāt prove it. The real test is still comparing the paper ballots directly to what the machines reported.
That is exactly what the Clark County, NV, ballot-level data shows. The machine results canāt be explained by the physical ballots alone. This is why people keep asking for full hand counts in specific high-risk counties instead of broad audits that skip over the suspicious spots.
No one is saying āTrump definitely lost.ā The point is that the pattern is suspicious enough that it should be fully checked, with paper, logs, and software all verified properly. That is just basic accountability, not wishful thinking.
Alright you donāt trust math people, so what science is your opinion based on? Vibes?
When did I say I donāt trust math people? I do, but not when theyāre saying āthese numbers donāt look quite right, so hereās an entire story about how maybe they used satellites to steal an election.ā Iāve said repeatedly through the thread that this stuff should be looked at, but we need to keep in mind that stealing an election is very hard to do and not immediately dismiss contrary evidence like the fact that many elections that absolutely could not be manipulated the same way showed a similar result of a giant swing to the right, or that independent exit polls didnāt report anything unusual.
You are basically saying āI didnāt do the work of understanding what they published, but they are wrongā
I only have so many minutes to spend on this plane of existence, so if I look through something and decide āthis isnāt enough to go anywhereā, then no, Iām not going to spend more time on it. Iād be happy to be wrong and see Trump and his cronies get brought down by a ragtag group of statisticians who found the truth and didnāt give up until justice was served, but I really donāt think thatāll happen.