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Are you trying to tell me a shrimp is giving this head?

Alright I apriciate the effort you’ve given here. I’ll see about educating myself more on your stance. Your continued explination here has been quite helpful in making your stance seem more reasonable than I first thought.

So your issue in actuality the word “bad”

I think this is detrimental. You can reject the word bad and pretend everything is something good if you handle it right but this is just reductionist and unhelpful.

Even with your examples you speak transformativly. This is a much better framing. Turning something bad into something beneficial. Life and lemons

When you have a bad trip you’re having a bad time. Pretending that it’s impossible for a trip to go bad makes it so when one does your advice is rejected. Framing it as a “challange” puts burden and blame on the individual that is undue. On Shrooms you are not in control pretending you are often is what leads to a bad trip. Acceptance of the mindset, of the trip, is the most common and most effective suggestion one can have for psychedelics. You aren’t in control past set and setting. It’s not your fault if things go south.

Praise be the shroom god allow them to send you as they wish. Go with the water not against it. Float like a log and even though the water is quick you won’t drown.

Bad isn’t a bad word. It’s just a descriptor.

Sure, often (not always) bad can lead to good even great but rejecting the reality of the negative for forced and fictional goodness is delusion. If that trick of the mind helps that’s ok for you but inherently blaming others who recognise bad makes you lesser.

Outside of psychedelics the issue is the same. Blaming, which is exactly what you’re doing, others for the bad positioning it as framing and a failure to realise it’s all actually good hurts people with little chance for help to be given.

To go to the absolute, absurd, worst example. A child sa victim. Should they have rejected the idea of bad? What happened to them was good they failed to create? No. Can they make good out of it? Yes. The experiance was still “bad”

PS. I will read frankl. Thank you for the suggestion. Any suggestion on specific material?

One could make that argument for anything. There’s no bad anything. No bad experiances ever. The word bad is meaningless.

Anything bad that happened to you was actually very much a good thing you just don’t know how to make it so because you responded wrong

Nope. Bad trips exist. I was sat laying down in my bed the entire time crying while my mind was spiraling down shitty paths that after the trip made zero sense. I was disguested with myself. I couldn’t make myself move. Not locked in but zero motivation. Like that feeling when you need to pee but stay in bed because you’re too tired to move cranked to eleven. I screamed in my head to raise my hand and it took way too much effort to do so.

I tried to cheer myself up thinking logically about the shit going through my head. It made it much worse. I wanted to die. That’s not hyperbole. About three and a half later I finally got out of bed and into the shower to cry there. I remembered everything I thought of and that I hated myself but it all wasn’t true. Completely illogical and mostly nonesense.

What did I gain from this? Nothing. You can say whatever you want to pretend there’s some underlying massive rebelation or positive that trip should have given me but I reject that whole heartedly. It just made me feel awful for about 5 hours fucked me up for about a week and made me hesitant do mushrooms again. Didn’t work though as shrooms are delightful most of the time