The latency isnt the issue for me. I just hate stuff that runs on batteries when cables work perfectly fine. Batteries will wear out faster than cables do. (Good cables at least) and this makes more e-waste.
Cables FTW
My Bluetooth headphones have a 3.5mm jack that will bypass the BT function. Love it!
AA rechargeable batteries are better than internal batteries not accessible to the user. And it lasts so much more
Whatever peripheral you have is going to get broken before the battery becomes unusable
Unusable, maybe, but a couple years down the line the battery life is going to suffer
The. Plug it in all the time after that. What’s the difference?
The cable will generally be longer out of the box, and will be less likely to come unplugged if you accidentally pull it
So instead of pulling the cord you want to just break your headphones?
No no certainly not, but I’ve never pulled so hard on a headset that any damage was ever done to my headset
I suppose if you’re living such a rock and roll lifestyle wireless may be best
Can confirm this is not true.
My Corsair HS70 battery could only hold a charge for about 15 minutes after I had it for 1-1.5 years. The battery was the only bad thing about it at the time until I opened it up and replaced it. To make things worse, for that headset you have to manually take out the terminal pins and switch two of them for any Amazon battery because the wires are crossed the wrong way.
95% of people in the same situation would have just thrown the headset out and gotten a new one.
Well where I live they have to offer replacements for at least 2.5 years if the battery becomes degraded, I also know someone who used the Sony MDR 1000X until last year with frequent use and I they just replaced it since they got the XM4 for free.
That’s fair and definitely a good thing, but a decent pair of wired headphones could easily last 3-4x that timespan. E-Waste is a real problem! Good sounding headphones from 10 years ago will probably still sound pretty good today
Wireless headsets are amazing. It is so nice to just be able to walk away from your desk while still hearing the video you were listening to
The problem with latency is a bluetooth problem. Get one that doesn’t use bluetooth or Infrared and you’re golden. Idk about cheaper ones but my steelseries headphones are amazing with zero latency.
Yeah I’ve got a Logitech that uses a WiFi dongle and never noticed problems.
Or use apx HD or apx LL
I always would be afraid that I run out of energy
In fact I’d go as far as say that unlike most mice and in particular all keyboards (which make 0 sense in wireless), wireless headphones are pretty neat. They fix two big issues:
- Getting up in the middle of a call to grab a coffee or so.
- Accidentally yanking wires when swiveling in your chair. You instinctively let go with your hands, so you don’t pull the KB or Mouse, but you don’t always remember to actively take of the headset before you yanked it again.
Fuckin’ what? Is this meme 10 years old or what?
I’ll never understand wireless keyboards. They just sit on the desk? Why go through the hassle of charging it?
yeah it’s crazy wireless headphones are the bad one here
as someone whos had wireless keyboards its not any better than a wired keyboard aside from it can die. so its kinda like a tomagotchi pet if youre into that
Even though my keyboard stays on my desk most the time, I have had wireless ones for years now because it’s much much much more convenient to be able to just pick it up and move it wherever or off my desk entirely when I need space in front of me (for projects, eating, etc). Yeah I have to charge it once every few weeks overnight when I’m not using it but considering my desk is also my only workspace for electronics and Lego and other hobbies, because I live in a small apartment, it’s a wonderful solution. Bonus that the cable which gets tucked away nicely can be used to charge several other things I keep on my desk / use all the time.
Cables are ugly
Cause it looks pretty and mine has 3 bt devices that I can switch between and its quite nice. Hoping to switch to a bt mouse as well once mine completely dies.
But BT suuuuucks
It’s perfectly fine for me. I press a key and its there on screen. The latency is hardly noticeable and doesn’t hamper me in any meaningful way.
There’s the latency, and there’s also the unreliable connection, it’s just not as stable as the mice with dedicated dongles. And it’s more vulnerable to interference. Battery life is FAR superior on Bluetooth, though; that’s the main upside.
As said latency wasn’t an issue for me, bluetooth connection is super stable at least on linux, have never noticed interference so far. What was the keyboard did u use?
Latency and stability are different things. Latency is how long keystrokes or mouse movement take to get to your computer. Instability would manifest as INCORRECT or entirely missed keystrokes or mouse movements. Bluetooth is also more vulnerable to interference from things like microwaves, another thing that might cause instability.
Bluetooth keyboards (usually Logitech) have worked okay for me in the past, but they don’t always reliably wake up from sleep and connect quickly when I try to use them. Bluetooth mice are a bigger concern to me, they feel noticed slower and my mouse makes jerky movements. You’ll notice that nearly all gaming mice have a dongle so that you can avoid Bluetooth.
Mate I use a bt kb I obviously know the difference what I said was those issues you mentioned isnt an issue for me. Latency is not noticeable AND it’s stable. I don’t have an microwave next to my pc and other bluetooth devices and wifi doesn’t seem to be an issue either. Mine can be configured to completely disable sleep as well and has 3750 mah so it won’t die easily. I am using fairly new rk84 atm, even if any of the issues develops in the future I can just switch to 2.4 or wired anyway.
The only wireless keyboard I can understand is something like the Corsair k63 with the lapboard attachment. I’ve got one with my second PC connected to my TV. It’s really pretty great!
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You can use the Keyboards cable to charge your phone, when that s full you can go back charging and using the keyboard with cable.
I have a seperate wireless gaming keyboard for couch gaming in front of my tv. It has a purpose
I hate wires in general. Everything that can be wireless IS wireless at my home.
This sounds like absolute hell.
You clearly haven’t used wireless headphones in last 10 years, have you?
If you use the gamingest headphones with proprietary dongles, you can get decent latency. But then you’re sacrificing on sound quality, comfort, and/or ANC, and if you have multiple devices you want to use them with (eg a console and a PC), you have to either physically move the dongle between them, or suffer with Bluetooth lag and connection hassles on one of them.
Bluetooth is still bullshit in terms of latency. It will get better with LE Audio, but whether it will get good enough is anyone’s guess, and it’s still in its infancy and support is almost non-existent.
I had an error in my calculations, read comments below for correct math
AptX LL indeed has ~30ms of latency at the cost of bitrate, but last I checked it’s not supported by Windows out of the box. It’s also been generally dropped in favor of the higher latency AptX Adaptive due to requiring a dedicated wireless antenna. The default experience of Bluetooth is still >200ms of latency. Also 30ms is 4.2 frames at 140Hz.
1000 (milliseconds in a second)/140(hz) = ~7.14ms per hz
Not sure how you got 30ms being twice as fast as what a 140hz monitor can display.
I wouldn’t consider Audio-Technica anywhere “gaming” related, can be pricey though.
I have a ATH-G1WL (wireless) and ATH-AVA400 (wired) and cannot hear any difference in sound quality what-so-ever, except the 3m cable I have to fiddle with now, which I also have to physically move when changing devices.
Bluetooth also sucks for mice and keyboard, so yeah…
I have. You either get good sound quality or low latency. Pretty much every low latency wireless protocol (at least the ones I’m aware of) sacrifices bitrate for latency. I’m not an audiophile by any stretch of the imagination, but I can tell when sound quality isn’t great.
I’m not saying there’s no room for improvement, but you’re basically describing the fundamental problem.
Higher quality audio tends to take up more data bandwidth in the wireless protocol, and resilience against interference (and retransmission or error correcting redundancy) will require a longer delay between receiving that signal and actually playing that signal. Some codecs make use of much more efficient ways of turning high quality audio into a lower bandwidth signal, but those usually come at the cost of computational complexity in encoding and decoding - which sacrifices the size and battery life of the wireless device decoding those signals. Or, some codecs allow for more efficient encoding or better error correction, but need to operate on bigger chunks of audio at a time, which might mean that the codec waits for an entire chunk to finish before it gets encoded and sent, which means that latency at a minimum is the length of the chunk. As a result, wireless audio transmission generally needs to trade between audio quality and latency.
With keyboard and mouse data, it’s very, very simple. There are only so many possible keys/buttons, and even the mouse movement is essentially a two dimensional vector with an x-axis and a y-axis in the fixed amount of sampled time. That means less compression necessary to fit the data into very tiny slivers of time, that allows for the polling/refresh rate to be really high, and therefore communicate in a low latency manner.
Yup, this was pretty much supposed to be the point of the meme. Audio, unfortunately, is a much more difficult problem. It seems like we’re getting closer every year though and I’m excited for when wireless audio is as good as wireless keyboards and mice.
300ms is for too much latency for my use case. Playing rhythm games. That being said, I don’t see latency being an issue for anything else.
The latency has been good for a while. The sound-quality has also caught up recently too with stuff like the Audeze Maxwell
Audeze nuts in you face. Gottem
I really like my steelseries artics 7. Battery last so long, I sometimes forget when I last recharge them.
Also amazing reach, I can go anywhere in my house while keep on listening.
I use wired keyboard and mouse, because they’re always in the same place and the cords don’t bother me.
If its the version where you can easily slide off and on the battery to replace it and charge the second one on the station, then its nice and I want one, they are nowhere to find and purchase.
If its the one that needs to open up a cap to change the battery, and only works with Windows only Sign-in Drivers then its the worst headset I ever come across.
I just forgot which one got the name because its the same company and series. (Maybe “Nova” were the worse ones, they are newer)
I think you can’t easily open up to replace the battery. But i don’t see the need for that. If it needs to be charged when i need it, just can plug in the power cord and keep on using is.
Don’t ever had any problems with the drivers, i just plug it, first time windows need it to set it up and worked great. With steelseries own software I also don’t have any problems. Only downside is that if you want better quality audio, you need to open the software.
I’m constantly unplugging and plugging in the receiver between my pc and ps5 without any problems.
Yeah no, I would recommend this to noone because you are literally forced to get an Account and let the software run constantly just to get pro feature, meanwhile you pay a heck ton of money to it. Huge downgrade, can’t use it with 90% of different devices because only Windows 10 and 11 is supported, no Xbox, Playstation, Phone, Linux PC or Steam Deck. Except you love bad Audio for which the price is not worth for.
A friend had the older ones that had the exact features but the software is purely on the Station. Additionally on the older ones you could slide the batteries in and out which seem to have a very satisfying feeling. (I guess swapping increased from 2 seconds to 60seconds for the newer ones?)
Found the post on which I created my opinion on the headset. https://www.reddit.com/r/steelseries/comments/v9kq26/steelseries_nova_pro_wireless_linux_and_bad/
Yeah I’ve got the same one and have had no issues with it (besides being too lazy about charging it and having to quickly plug in mid-meeting which is just user error).
It’s charge lasts a while but I only use it for a few hours at a time max so maybe that’s more of why I only have to charge it once every week or so.
Nice to be able to walk around most of the house without disconnecting and I haven’t noticed any latency issues.
The affordable stuff is usually cabled, so I use that.
You rich asses talking about latency, I’m just out here trying to keep gaming.
I use the Sennheiser Momentum 4 with no latency problems at all.
Although gaming is usually on speakers for me (Edifier) and that’s all cables.
The problem with a personal endorsement is that you never know if it’s actually good or if the person is bad at noticing it.
I’m super annoyed by audio latency and my Momentum 4s are the first Bluetooth headphones I’m able to use while gaming without being irritated.
my biggest issue with (my specific) wireless headphones is that the sound is shit when i am also using the mic. other than that, theyre fine
My wireless headphones have a double battery meaning I never have to charge them. My wireless mouse and keyboard are always connected as they run out of battery to fast…
I just prefer cable for those two. For the keyboard cable makes no difference to me. Mice cables have come a long way and a good one is barely noticeable.
Headphones though, I’m never going back to the cord. Both Sony XM and Bose QC work great for me.
I am extremely rough with my headphones to the point that I’d always break the cable on wired headsets in a few months. Yeah, wireless isn’t on par with wired headphones in every single way yet, but once I switched to Bluetooth, I was able to keep using my headphones for years at a time before the battery would give out. Add in that I can wander around freely with my headphones, and yeah, the latency is a pretty good tradeoff for my situation
The biggest issue imo is the microphone quality. Audio quality and latency have improved a lot over the years but so many wireless headsets still have garbage mic quality. The Logitech g pro lightspeed costs $250 and sounds worse than a $10 Webcam mic. I only went wireless after the razer blackshark 2023 came out. The microphone is by far the best mic I’ve heard in a wireless headset.
I’ve always used desktop microphones, but that’s an issue I didn’t even consider. Tbh it seems like most “gamer” headsets slap on the shittiest microphones because they affect you the least and it ticks another box on the product page.
Hm. The only wireless thing on my gaming engine are the headphones, because I stepped over the cables a few times
Wired best because i don’t need to charge it and there is no possibility of signal jamming by operating a microwave.
If operating a microwave interferes with any of your 2.4GHz networks, you need a new microwave.
But then how will he ever join the X-Men?
