US tech may lag on the important stuff… but it’s also pretty meh in the shitty ones too

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    21 days ago

    So, what are the practical negatives of China at this point? Am I going to get flogged for pirating games or is it just as bad as the US?

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      21 days ago

      Most of their negatives are inward facing. My fear of them taking the mantle of world power would be that they become a highly racist and destructive expansionist power similar to the US of the Manifest Destiny era, but that remains to be seen.

      They are still quite openly repressive and you can and will face prison time for wrongspeak. Everything we hate about corporate surveillance they’ve been doing basically since the internet went mainstream. I doubt LGBT+ would have a good time under their rule, to say the least. Porn is outright criminalized. I’m not sure where they stand on piracy, but the tools you need to do it “safely” are probably illegal, and you’ve got the great firewall to contend with.

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      21 days ago

      The level of casual racism in Chinese culture is pretty exceptional. It’s not great in the USA, but China takes it to a whole new level.

      Things are supposedly getting better, but then we also say that in the west (and is it really).

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        20 days ago

        Yeah, at least in the West it’s considered backwards and abhorrent among polite society to express racism.

        In China literally no one would bat an eye because it’s just viewed as completely normal.

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      20 days ago

      It’s hypercompetitive from an early age I guess? College exams are matter of life-or-death, it’s the only ticket to a good life you will ever get, the spots are limited, and you are either pride or disgrace of the family depending on your academic excellence. And you are competing with thousands of other kids who are also pressured to excel.

      I would probably kill myself if I was pressured so much to compete with fellow humans as a kid, honestly.

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      21 days ago

      So, you know all those bad things you hear about China? State survalience, freedom of movement, free speech. We decided to implement all of the bad things and none of the good things.

      Why? Well, because we have to. You don’t want China to WIN THE RACE FOR AI SUPER INTELLIGENCE! Then you’ll lose all your symbolic freedoms that have already been destroyed.

      I just want high speed rail man. I just want to go to the grocery store and not spend $100+ for one bag of groceries. I can’t follow recipes, the spices cost $12 or more a piece.

      I don’t want to “be China”. I stan for China because despite their many flaws, they are improving and building shit. We can do that here if we learn from the way that they reign in capitalist control. My local library has visible black mold and the librarian is always coughing.

      Also, a lot of the “evil state government disappearing people” are things like this:

      https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34127010

      Say I’m crazy. But I think the death sentence is bad. But, if I was gonna reserve it for anything. I’d reserve it for people that decide to poison baby formula for profit.

      Hell, if I was world dictator, I’d mandate than any mother that needed baby formula they could go into any store and get it for free. Meanwhile, we lock up our baby formula behind glass. Because no one in their right mind, sees someone stealing baby formula and thinks “that person is wrong”. I would hope they think “what the fuck is wrong with our society that people are stealing baby formula”

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        21 days ago

        Personally, I have this crazy idea:

        What if we just had a strong regulatory state … but democracy too? Is that too crazy to even imagine? Like… China, but with press freedoms? And open elections?

        It doesn’t seem nearly as radical to me as either China or the US presently, tbh.

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        19 days ago

        Seriously. It makes people look bad & hypocritical when all they say is “China bad” while giving other countries like the US passes & excuses on corruption. It’s one reason that makes people like myself stan for China more.

        it’s what happens when people let corporate, mainstream media & corrupt politicians brainwash them instead of doing research & having critical thinking.

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        19 days ago

        This, this is what I’m feeling!

        We’ve known the solutions to all these problems for generations and still choose the most harmful option to prevent then. We put rules in place to torture people because they want different genitals, or because they’re a different color, I’ve never been able to understand how anyone can care so much about any of that!

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      21 days ago

      I would also like to know because we already have all of the commie distopia promises I was told about. Are there new worse ones now, or am I supposed to rely entirely on cognitive dissonance?

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        19 days ago

        Yeah, this is literally where I’m standing. Everything I was warned about growing up has come in spades delivered by the system that was framed as the last stang against this nonsense. At this point, I’m genuinely hoping mexico becomes the next global super power because I can’t trust any of the current regimes to have the best interest of humans.

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      20 days ago

      I’m very freaked out by humanoid robots and hope that they aren’t actually viable as labor replacements, so I hope this is true.

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      20 days ago

      Nah, they understand the value of having a humanoid robot for general factory work. The technology is relatively primitive now but imagine where they will be in 5-10 years.