What do you think it’ll happen and what do you want to happen?

Debian developers have been considering a general resolution over LLM usage within the project. After collecting a variety of proposals, voting has now commenced for Debian developers to decide how comfortable they are with AI / Large Language Model contributions in the project or not.

The choices being considered for this Debian general resolution (GR) include:

[ ] Choice 1: Ban LLM contributions from Debian via Social Contract

[ ] Choice 2: Allow AI-Assisted Contributions with conditions

[ ] Choice 3: Reject LLMs as far as practical, update Code of Conduct

[ ] Choice 4: Accept AI contributions for Debian specific work

[ ] Choice 5: Responsible Use of Generative AI

[ ] Choice 6: A cautious approach to generative AI

[ ] Choice 7: Debian is created by humans

[ ] Choice 8: Avoid the use of LLM: climate destruction is a deal breaker

[ ] Choice 9: None of the above

All the details on each of those choices can be found via the Debian.org vote page.

Additional details in this mailing list post with the voting details on the general resolution. The voting period began at midnight and is set to run through end of day 28 August.

  • pastermil@sh.itjust.works
    31·
    17 days ago

    What is this, a Monty Python skit? How the fuck are they gonna come with a consensus with all these choices?

    There’s really just choices 1 & 2. The rest are just elaboration. And what the fuck is even ‘none of the above’?

    Really, there’s just ‘yes’ and ‘no’. If it’s a ‘yes’, there would certainly be condition, which can come later. If it’s a ‘no’, who give a shit why; it’s a vote, not a fucking book club. They can definitely put the reason in the comment, but do they really need to put the reasons as the choice?

    • eremophila@lemmy.zip
      1·
      17 days ago

      The 1st round should be yes, or no.

      Choice A in the developer poll still allows for ai

      "It does not include:

      Upstream projects using LLMs for development
AI-related software
Upstream patches/security fixes etc."
        • TrollAccount69@lemmy.ml
          2·
          17 days ago

          Long time Debian user and governance appreciator. Welcome. If you want some schizophrenia inducing reading material you should go back and check the long and well documented history of Debian voting.

          • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            17 days ago

            especially the adoption of systemd that was decided by only 4 people back around 2014. lol

            • flying_sheep@lemmy.ml
              2·
              17 days ago

              Where did you pull that number from? https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/gr_initsystems/results.txt

              • They took months and months for that voting
              • options like “require support for multiple init systems” where straight-up tossed for being unpopular
              • the most likely contender at the time was upstart, which didn’t stand the test of time AFAIK (I don’t think the systemd hater crowd still uses that)

              So it ended up the right decision. Would they have decided differently if other good init systems had existed already? Maybe, but they didn’t.

    • vogi@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      16 days ago

      These are just the headlines. If you click on the link there are the choices written out. Apparently it was open for submissions so there could be some options that feel duplicated.

        • eremophila@lemmy.zip
          1·
          16 days ago

          I read 1, 7, and 8, as they appeared to be the options not just saying ‘ai yay’. I stopped reading each of those options when they appeared to turn into contrary bullshit. I very briefly scanned some of the other options.

          None of them appeared to prohibit the inclusion of ai. The verbosity comes across as deliberate, rather than informative to me, knowing how much people scan these days.

          I have debian installed on my 2 pc’s, but do not actively use it, and this would be my first insight/interaction with the people behind it, and the ‘community’. If this poll is the 1st step in the process, I have to question why the 1st step was not simply ai: yes, or no. With a result of yes = empty partitions where I used to have debian.

          • SocialistVibes01@lemmy.mlOP
            1·
            17 days ago

            Do you me being more direct? I’m asking whether you read the linked texts. I’m not making any judgement. I do have a judgement on the explanations given tho: too short. The ballot text is too vague.