• rockerface🇺🇦@lemmy.cafe
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      And there’s currently another combined attack going on with multiple types of missiles and drones. Literally as I’m writing this.

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    Only 30? Ukrainians make it sound as if they live in Gaza with how much they go on about Russian aggression.

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        If you want to compare the civilian deaths in Gaza’s genocide to military deaths in Ukraine’s war, you can. It’s dishonest, but you can.

        My perspective is that the Ukrainians brought this upon themselves, first by overthrowing their democracy, second by failing to abide by the Minsk agreements, and lastly by threatening Russia by attempting to join NATO and claiming that they have the right to obtain nuclear weapons.

        Each one on its own is insane, but together it’s hard to have any sympathy for Ukraine when their government has chosen to escalate at every opportunity.

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          first by overthrowing their democracy

          They didn’t. They legally removed a Russian agent that was passing a series of very antidemocratic laws.

          threatening Russia by attempting to join NATO

          Joining a defensive alliance is only a threat to an aggressor, so thanks for your admission I guess.

          and claiming that they have the right to obtain nuclear weapons.

          They wouldn’t have of Russia hadn’t invaded

          It’s all 100% on Russia.

          But you know that already. That’s the worst part. You’re not misinformed, you’re a liar.

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            This is bad counter-propaganda, as you’re lying about the basic facts. Also, you totally skipped over the Minsk Agreement, which Ukraine agreed to and then refused to enforce. They had a peace agreement and then decided to ignore it and escalate. That proves they were acting in bad faith the whole time.

            Also, it was a given that Russia would invade as soon as Ukraine tried to use NATO to continue breaking the Minsk Agreement. NATO is an aggressive military alliance that has sought to encircle Russia since the USSR collapsed, and allowing a NATO country to emerge within bombing range of Moscow was a non-starter. Again, Ukraine never wanted peace. They wanted and chose escalation.

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              NATO is an aggressive military alliance that has sought to encircle Russia since the USSR collapsed

              Again, only aggressive if Russia has territorial ambitions on its neighbours. Otherwise completely benign. The fact that you consider it aggressive betrays the fact that you know Russia has had territorial ambitions against its neighbours from the start. Making everything else useless verbal diarrhea.

              It also betrays your imperialist way of thinking, denying Russia’s neighbours their sovereign right to join whichever military alliance they choose.

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                First, the United States undermined Ukrainian sovereignty by sponsoring a coup. It was US imperial ambitions which turned Ukraine into a battlefield.

                Also, the United States is the head of NATO, and has said they’re open to a nuclear first strike. Of course Russia wouldn’t allow a NATO affiliated country on their border which would could make a nuclear strike so fast Russia would be unable to respond. Nuclear deterrence only works if you can mutually assure destruction and catastrophic losses on BOTH sides. If Russia can’t respond, then that’s just blackmail.

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                  First, the United States undermined Ukrainian sovereignty by sponsoring a coup.

                  Same lie as before, there was no coup.

                  Nuclear blahblah

                  Look at a fucking map. Ukraine is only marginally closer to Moscow than Latvia. And by the same logic Russia should have invaded Finland before they could join NATO right next to Saint Petersburg but they didn’t, because it’s all complete bullshit and lies.

                  Just fucking stop.

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          You:

          If you want to compare the civilian deaths in Gaza’s genocide to military deaths in Ukraine’s war, you can. It’s dishonest, but you can.

          Also you:

          Only 30? Ukrainians make it sound as if they live in Gaza with how much they go on about Russian aggression.

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          You’re the one who brought up gaza.

          Russia invaded. Russia is welcome to fuck off whenever they’re tired of throwing soldiers into the meat grinder. I have all the sympathy for the people in Ukraine who are fighting off Putin’s war of aggression.

          Lastly, eat shit.

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            “Putin’s war.”

            You’re an idiot. This is a US proxy war started by Washington and targeting Russia. Ukraine is just a vassal of empire and their fate is decided by their imperial backers.