inb4 but muh bourne supremacy
I hope the penalties for cop corruption in China are the same as the ones for politicians.
- In a typical example of proletarian police accountability, the CPC sentences a police officer to death for killing a pregnant woman in a restaurant in southern China.
- Why do Chinese billionaires keep ending up in prison? Why are many billionaires and CEOs going missing? China sentences Ex-Chairman of a major bank, guilty of embezzling ~$100M USD, to death in 2019.
Any informed opinions on whether Chinese people are in general more or less racist than Americans?
🤷 There’s no universal, coherent definition for racism, and if there were, we’d still have to run two very large, expensive research/polling projects. Also these are extremely large populations (on extremely large territories), neither of which is monolithic. Also, how racist a people are doesn’t necessarily align with how racist a state is. In an online forum, it’s the kind of question that mostly just exposes some people’s existing prejudices.
I ask mostly rhetorically to shed light on the idea that state mistreatment of ethnic minorities is a persistent human issue, and that it should be condemned wherever it occurs. The USA’s hands may be uniquely bloodied, but I doubt China’s are squeaky clean. I would expect any state of sufficient size and power to eventually be guilty of this.
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA, and whether this should be considered a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
I wonder if China’s population is more or less ethnically and culturally homogeneous than that of the USA, and whether this should be considered a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.
the defining characteristic(s) of an ethnic minority is a artificial distinction that the culture you exist within conditions you to regard as important and it will be different from one culture to the next.
thanks to colonialism, some of it will have a superficial analogue to your own culture, but the ingrained distinctions stretch back for hundreds to thousands of years longer and most are imperceptible to foreigners; hence the entire “monoculture” assumption by westerners of the (mostly) non-melinated variety.
mistreatment of ethnic minorities
I mean… there’s a genocide occurring in China right now.
There is no genocide of Uyghurs. Uyghur genocide atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.
In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of “genocide.” Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.
The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report as well as (especially) China’s response to it, which eclipses it in size and detail.These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, Christian nationalist and professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does. Zenz’ work has been thoroughly discredited, yet is supported by western media for its utility in fearmongering. An example is lying about 8.7% of new IUDs as 80%, to back up claims of “forced sterilization,” from this chart:
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Has there been mistreatment? Almost certainly to some degree, in a campaign as large as this. Is it genocide, be it cultural or outright? No, Uyghur culture is preserved and there are no mass killings.
Yeah sure. Just like there’s a genocide occurring in South Africa right now, right?
And 400 bazillion dead protestors in Iran
And 400 decapitated babies in ovens
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Lol, another “China good, America bad” post. Classic.
Always followed up with accusations of American/Western indoctrination if you disagree. Bonus points for sinophobia accusation if you say anything bad about China. 🥱
These kinds of maximalist statements you’re making reek of the conservative “I got kicked out just for having a different opinion!”
Like yeah actually if the “anything bad” you say is the same Epstein empire propaganda bullshit meant to justify bombing shitloads of people -like they’re doing right now- then those with a mind and soul will react poorly to that.
Imagine using the term “Epstein empire” while accusing someone else of being subjected to propaganda. 🤣
You’re not actually saying anything, this is just like 3 meaningless internet argument signifiers smashed together with a “definitely not mad” emoji.
It’s an accurate description, cry about it
I’ve been studying Chinese for years and I’ve visited for a while too.
China is mid. It’s impressive how they’ve advanced so quickly, but their working class is still under a lot of stress and the wealth disparity is grotesque like many countries. They’ve exchanged the freedom to criticize the powers that be for safety and security.
I think they’ve gotten relatively lucky with Xi Jinping. He’s clever and I think generally tries to do the right thing, but when he’s gone I think China is likely to suffer under whoever replaces him.
It’s just that compared to the US even the slimiest turd looks like gold at the moment.
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Oh you like China? How does it feel to like [thing that is a problem in capitalist countries but largely doesn’t happen in China], commie
All cops are bad actually.
Cops exist to protect the ruling class of a given society. In the west, that class is the capitalist class. In socialism, that class is the working classes. Until we get to classless society, police in socialism serve a necessary role that must be accountable to the people.
The ruling class in China is not the working class.
Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy, and capitalists are held on a tight leash to focus on developing the productive forces. The large firms and key industries in China are publicly owned, it’s only the small and medium firms that are private.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Moreover, the economy in the PRC is socialist, with public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
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Hello CIA sleeper agent
Shit, you blew my cover!!! Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck what am I going to do with my life 😭😭😭
- I am here to serve and protect the elite
- I kill blacks to serve the elite
Is the same picture
In both cases, what you meant is the ruling class. Thankfully, the ruling class in china is the working class.
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Public ownership is the principal aspect of China’s economy, and capitalists are held on a tight leash to focus on developing the productive forces. The large firms and key industries in China are publicly owned, it’s only the small and medium firms that are private.
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Moreover, the economy in the PRC is socialist, with public ownership as the principle aspect of the economy. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
