LemmyNSFW was not a platform. Fediverse is a platform. LNSFW was an instance on that platform.
There’s a new nsfw place now
I do wonder what happened though to the old one
The internet is for porn before all else
lemmynsfw was apparently adminned by a single person, who went awol some time ago, and then stopped paying for the servers recently. An example of why instances should not be controlled by one person, but instead some sort of community.
Then it gets ideological rapidly. How to come to an agreement: majority vs consensus? Once a conclusion is reached, can all press the button or just one delegate? It brings so many questions.
I think it’s much more elegant to just abandon one server in favor of the other.
isn’t that fine? if i don’t want to interact with marxist-leninist instance, for instance, then i don’t itneract with posts or people from there. That’s why we have instance blocking.
I thought the idea of instances is to cater to different clubs or tribes of people.
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
You’d think so, but like… What about disagreements over what type of content should be allowed? Should they allow AI generated stuff? Revenge porn? Illustrated art depicting minors? Specific extreme fetishes?
That feels like a weak argument, revenge porn is a crime, so is illustrated csam. A quick check of why someone thinks either of those should be allowed would either lead to their greater understanding of the topic or the realization that they’re not qualified to make these decisions.
Extreme fetishes could be a hard topic. Needles and blood play skeeve me the hell out, but the flow chart goes “all parties consent and enjoy -> does not incriminate host-> allowed to exist.” So it isn’t up to my skeeves to yuck someone’s yum.
That feels like a weak argument, revenge porn is a crime, so is illustrated csam.
Not everywhere. If it’s legal where the admin lives and legal where the server is hosted, you can’t really make this argument. You could make the argument that it’s morally wrong, but like… the point is that it’s a possible point of contention, and not as cut-and-dried as you suggest.
I personally don’t think they shoukd allow any of that stuff - some of which is illegal anyway - but for the non-illegal stuff like AI nsfw, if they all agree on it they can permit it. OR if only some agree, they can create a seperate instsnce for AI nsfw.
Those are pretty much the only things they have to agree on, right?
Also the ideology of a nsfw community is a straight-forward issue.
What does this mean? I’m talking about how an instance should or can be governed. Poster before me indicated an instance should be managed by a community, which drags politics - thus ideology - into the conversation. It’s hard to create community governance on a platform with a single root admin. This is also the case on git repos in terms of governance. And when that is the case, moving away seems the only option, unless the platform developers feel adventurous enough to implement a whole community-as-root-account feature, where they will then run into the questions I’ve mentioned.
Then it gets ideological
“The Internet needs more porn” is an ideology o can support
isn’t one person controlling a server also an ideological decision?
Yes, it absolutely is, but I don’t think it was ever purposefully designed that way. More like it grew out of the single root account on a server. But I could be wrong.
https://fedinsfw.app/c/fedinsfw/p/1/rip-lemmynsfw-fedinsfw-is-live-and-donations
LemmyNSFW explainer here. Also new instance to replace it.
Not dead.Maybe the maintainer of LemmyNSFW actually meant a different NSFW acronym like “No Shoes For Whales” and was confused about the content they were hosting
Well I for one spent a lot of time on LemmyNSFW and can confidently state that I never once saw a whale wearing shoes on it, so they must have been doing something right.
Do we know why? And is it a represented trend in the fediverse or are we overall maintaining health?
It does highlight a potential problem with the way the fediverse functions, if too many communities are controlled by a single instance. The fediverse was meant to allievate centralisation, but in reality it has only slightly alleviated it (at least for some instances).
How big a percentage of lemmy would be lost if the lemmy.world servers was disconnected in the same way for example?
End of the day, shit cost money. As much as people love to live in bullshit denial about that fact.
Unless people are willing to pony up said money for free out of their own goodness with no strings attached AND you find people that are entirely trust worthy to manage those funds and put them entirely and only towards the intent they were given.
You will always find the same problem. Shit HAS to be centralized. You can have more then one central pillar that stand together but at the end of the day all your doing is spreading the load.
You can’t have an infinite number of pillars either it’s just not possible. And that’s the “idea” behind shit like federation. That some magic bullshit will happen and we will totally spread the load, costs and burder so perfectly that it can’t be knocked down.
When in reality it’s even more fragile than a single pillar supporting everything.
You have to find a middle ground, a number of central pillars that support each other. But you have to accept your just creating a more unstable house of cards.
Where a single sole pillar is easily corrupted, a group is easily toppled.
The frediverse is slowly learning that the idea behind it is a lot more iffy in reality then on paper. Hopefully it will adapt and not just stubbornly ignore the problem because of stupid shit. Because I fully believe that given enough effort the “decentralized” path as laughable as that term is. Is the right one forward.
I have very little faith in people to not be stupid tho.
Agreed. To maintain health there needs to be a easy way to backup and migrate communities and user profiles between instances.
Without this theres just 1000 single points of failure rather than one.
Either that or communities should be able to propagate across instances.
Not by default, but there should at least be a way to treat it like a hot fail over if the instance admin chooses to enable it.
Depends on what “percentage of Lemmy” means, but they have probably something like 20% of active users. Most of their communities have analogues elsewhere.
I do think that as Lemmy grows the idea of a “general purpose instance” will go away and online communities will form their own instances.
Lemmy has been dropping users for a while, now. The Fediverse in general, really…
I don’t think that’s bad, per se, but it makes sense that a few servers end up dropping out. Few people use them.
I think lemmynsfw is one of tge largest lemmy instance.
I heard the admim bailed and it had nothing to do with user count.
Could have to do with user count sill. Could have felt like it was too big and expensive to manage, and rather than passing it off to others just bailed.
Ah well, I suppose that’s a different issue then!
