The heartbreaking part is that the point he is making lowers the impact because of who is saying it.
Erdogan is far from the worst possible person. He is better than the heads of Western countries, Israel, and any supporters of Israel or Nazi Ukraine.
Interesting take
he’s not really one to talk… but he’s also, unfortunately, not wrong.
True, but him talking about it diminishes the impact of these words. Lowers the bar so to speak.
when the country that has a hard-on for murdering Armenians and Kurds comes out with “whoa, hey, that’s a little much” …
It’s not “a little much” for them, it’s just that it’s someone they don’t care for doing it
Trust us, we know a thing or 2…
You know you’re doing bad stuff when a iron fisted despot calls you out on your atrocities.
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Didn’t both of these countries support ISIS?
Misinformation
Ban
Wait what? Why would he get banned for asking a question?
In all fairness, it was a question. That much leniency needs to exist. If replies end up being educating, it replicates the mind dialogue many other lurkers have.
They did, assuming you mean Turkey and the occupying entity
Yes.
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nyeah, no … Over 10,500 Killed in One Month
Nearly half of these are childrens. It is true that Hamas is a terrorist organization that keeps the population hostage, but terrorism cannot be combated by indiscriminately bombing the population, schools and hospitals, causing thousands of deaths as “collateral damage” to catch perhaps 2-3 terrorists. This is what makes the Israeli government terrorists just like Hamas.
Hamas is a terrorist organization that keeps the population hostage
Israel has kept the population hostage since even before Hamas won a free and fair election in 2006, and in retaliation, for the last 16 years Israel made their imprisonment even more draconian.
Terrorism can never be a solution. Independent that Hamas was freely elected and then abused its power in a terrorist regime, like the Israeli governments that believe that with apartheid and violence against the population in an imperialist policy they achieve peace. With this path, conflicts can never be resolved at the cost of the population on both sides. Terrorism on the one hand is not solved by killing tens of thousands of people. What Israel is doing is genocide as such, that cannot be justified with “legitimate defense.” They do not fight Hamas, even shooting refugees fleeing a besieged Hospital, where hundreds of people die due to lack of food, medicine and energy, nor indiscriminately bombing towns and even refugee caravans and ambulances. With this they create terrorism in the ranks of Palestinians because with their actions they justify it.
Stop calling Hamas terrorists. They won a fair election, and they are the sole reason Palestine has not been fully erased until now. If not for them, USA would have assisted and got Zionist colonisation project done long ago.
Read the full story to see the kind of people Hamas is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information for geopolitics that has the possibility to say anything against Anglo (or Anglo-Saxon) countries or their key vassal states like Israel or Japan (also Hongkong until 2019 CIA funded riots, and Ukraine from 2022-2024).
My long term friend is a Palestinian, and Hamas being the only line of their defense is critical to their existence, until Palestine is liberated, rolled back to the UN partition guidelines, and Palestinians allowed to form a strong independent military that can thrash US-funded IDF terrorists.
If you think Hamas is detached from Palestine, simply put, either you are idiot or dishonest towards the cause of liberation of Palestine. You are a victim of reactionary Western propaganda.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information for geopolitics
NATOPedia. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Katherine Maher used to be the CEO of Wikimedia and now works for the Atlantic Council.
So we’re blindly accepting hamas death tolls now? People never learn
Your article doesn’t speak about verification. It just says UNICEF believes them.
So we’re blindly accepting hamas death tolls now? People never learn
People never seem to learn their reputation in this regard before making comments such as yours.
One snippet out of a lengthy article.
Many experts consider figures provided by the ministry reliable, given its access, sources and accuracy in past statements.
“Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.”
Shakir said Human Rights Watch would not use figures provided by parties with “a propensity to misrepresent information.”
Why news outlets and the U.N. rely on Gaza’s Health Ministry for death tolls
And another:
Throughout four wars and numerous bloody skirmishes between Israel and Hamas, U.N. agencies have cited the Health Ministry’s death tolls in regular reports. The International Committee of the Red Cross and Palestinian Red Crescent also use the numbers.
In the aftermath of war, the U.N. humanitarian office has published final death tolls based on its own research into medical records.
In all cases the U.N.’s counts have largely been consistent with the Gaza Health Ministry’s, with small discrepancies.
— 2008 war: The ministry reported 1,440 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 1,385.
— 2014 war: The ministry reported 2,310 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 2,251.
— 2021 war: The ministry reported 260 Palestinians killed; the U.N. reported 256.
What is Gaza’s Ministry of Health and how does it calculate the war’s death toll?
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You got something to say? Come on and say it. Or were you just wanting to make some sideways passive-aggressive implications about the character of people you don’t know solely because we won’t let what Israel is doing be swept under the rug?
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Ok buddy, run along now. Have a nice day!
(Also you don’t need to tag someone when you are replying to them.)
Israel has vowed and is erasing Palestine for the past century. Palestine is left as literal dots inside of Israel. What do you expect, shit on their only line of defense, Hamas, for looking good on social media? People outside of West are not clowns seeking internet validation.
How many do you think it is, and how much more acceptable is that number than this one?
Hamas is a result of hoe Israël has been handling the issue for decades now.
I’m not saying Hamas is fine, great, innocent or anything. Far from it. But the blame is on both sides.
