• logicbomb@lemmy.world
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    13 天前

    I learned from game theory that these situations are the equivalent of the prisoner’s dilemma.

    In the prisoner’s dilemma, in the case where you only play the game once, cooperation has a worse outcome for you, regardless of what your opponent does. It is a dominated option. Only in the case where the game is repeated many times, and where both players are paying attention to their opponent, only in that case does cooperation become a useful option.

    When people recycle, we are choosing to cooperate. But as nobody is paying attention to what we’re doing, it is always the dominated option. We end up having to work more, and we don’t get better results. And then we inevitably get huge betrayals.

    But that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t recycle. It simply means the game has shitty rules. That’s why responsible government regulations are essential for environmentalism, if we actually want to see results.

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      Plastic recycling is literally pointless though.

      It’s a farce to pretend that plastic can be reused/sustainable in any way. Most “recycled” plastic ends up just shipped off to pollute developing countries in Africa and Asia.

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        yup, china has mostly stopped plastic trash from the us, i think malaysia is making moves to prevent that too.

        its difficult because plastic is basically toxic when you try to melt it or dissolve it into a usable plastic again, the process is probably more expensive too.

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    I’d allow it if, say, we seized 90% of each owner’s wealth and invested it into clean and renewable tech.

    I’m very reasonable like that!

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      Counter point we burn 100% of their wealth and they thank us for the privilege of not being fed to the nearest tree. If they don’t the tree will eat.

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        Counter point we burn 100% of their wealth and they thank us for the privilege of not being fed to the nearest tree. If they don’t the tree will eat.

        I could never support such a thing!

        Burning wealth is so wasteful!

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          Don’t the Norwegians brun trash to generate power? Same principal, I guess we can recycle computer parts and metals but everything else goes into the furnace.

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    Unless the individual happens to be exceedingly wealthy. In which case, they’re the systemic problen

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    Mario bros! RISE UP!

    Let the rich fear us, let the exploiters cower in terror. Systemic change requires dramatic catalysts, the money tree needs to be ripped at its roots and burned with revolutionary intent.

    No longer will we bow down to the ‘Almighty Dollar’

    A cancer can only be ‘cured’ if it’s completely removed and destroyed. Fuck Cancer, Fuck the Rich

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    Could a mechanic forget a couple of critical screws holding the engine together? Its a general question from a friend who theoretically asked lol. Hypothetically.