The unnamed U.S. lawmakers
The Kyiv Independent (despite NATO Bias/Fact Check’s opinion) is not a reliable outlet, so I’d take this with a grain of salt. This might be an effort to shift blame away from local government. But that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that the net for the meat grinder will be cast wider.
This might be an effort to shift blame away from local government.
Might be, but I’ve seen articles (not from ua government) about plans to do this (and US pressure on that matter) long before the government spoke about it, so might be true.
But that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that the net for the meat grinder will be cast wider.
Yep :(
What will probably happen, is that kidnapping age will be reduced to something like 20-21, and it will be presented as a great success of Zelensky the Merciful.
So, Zelensky started with turning Ukraine into a mass prison on 24.02.2022.
Then busification (kidnapping people on the streets and murdering them by sending them to the meat grinder) of men aged 27-60 started soon after.
Then, in April 2024, Zelensky’s meat grinder was expanded to men aged 25-27.
Now, Zelensky will probably start murdering men aged 18-25 as well (and not just “supported” by the west, not even “encouraged”, now it’s “pressured”).What line should Zelensky cross for you to admit he is genociding Ukrainians? Should he start kidnapping teenagers as well? Should he start kidnapping women? Or would it be ok as well?.. (btw both kidnapping teenagers and women already happened, it’s just that for now " recruitment officers" let them go after they discover their mistake)
And remeber folks, “till the last Ukrainian” is propaganda spread by Russian bots and tankies, it has nothing in common with reality.
Zelensky didn’t choose to be invaded. Wtf are you on about
Zelensky didn’t choose to be invaded. Wtf are you on about
Even assuming that this is true - I didn’t say that he did.
What he did choose to do though - was turning country into a mass prison and kidnapping people on the streets and sending them into the meat ginder (so, murdering them).You sound like you’re describing Putin 😂
Except Putin is actually doing those things. Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn’t kidnapping people off the streets. That’s completely disingenuous at best.
The number of people having no idea what’s going on is too damn high. This has been reported by many mainstream Western media outlets for months.
I can only find reports of Russian soldiers kidnapping people in Ukraine, reports of things that seem clearly like conscription and not kidnapping, and things from sources that aren’t credible.
Do you have a credible source that shows that this is a real phenomenon? I can’t find one
A BBC article is the first result from just searching it. Its a widely talked about fact and if you can’t find “anything” you need to actually read the search results.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz994d6vqe5o
There was one incident where they abducted a 14 year old orphan. https://kyivindependent.com/media-odesa-recruitment-center-investigating-report-of-14-year-old-kidnapped-by-uniformed-men/
You can’t find one.
- https://www.google.com/search?q=ukraine+kidnapping+men
- https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ukraine+kidnapping+men
- https://www.bing.com/search?q=ukraine+kidnapping+men
- https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=ukraine+kidnapping+men
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Are you playing some word game where kidnapping someone for the purposes of conscription does not qualify as kidnapping? What else would they be kidnapped for, a tickle party?
The Kyiv regime most definitely kidnaps people on the streets. Wherever they can find them, really. It’s conscription.
Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn’t kidnapping people off the streets. That’s completely disingenuous at best.
Yeah, Zelensky’s regime definitely doesn’t kidnap people off the streets. There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).
There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).
The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.
Some people got arrested relating to not following the law relating to the draft. Yes, that’s terrifying. It’s still not even remotely close to what you are claiming.
The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.
Doesn’t support which of my claims? Just scroll to the comments, I’ve archived videos for you there. People in masks and with rifles, throwing people out of cars in the middle of a road, beating people to the loss of consciousness, student beaten for answering a call from his mother, it’s all there.
Unmarked vans? Here, enjoy your participation in genociding Ukrainians!
https://files.catbox.moe/4m2o3d.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/wszg2t.mp4
Yeah, I guess you’re actually right about that, when you look at what Zelensky does to Ukrainians - it indeed sounds quite similar to the western propaganda about what Putin/Russia does…
Dont even bother with those people. They are not uninformed, they know what is happening and they lie on purpose
Dont even bother with those people.
But what else can I do? :(
It’s my family and friends that could be next. I should at least try to persuade people to stop that…
