We need more good AMD options dangit, not just NVIDIA
From the link:
Updated 2nd Gen Radeon™ RX 7700S graphics also available
They’ve been offering good AMD options, and they’re even adding in an upgraded option.
This is actually the same GPU they already launched last year when they first launched the 16, this version just has improved cooling. The problem is since they launched the first AMD GPU module AMD has yet to launch any more mobile GPUs. 9000 series mobile has yet to be announced or launched, so they can’t really give a new upgraded AMD GPU until then.
Completely missed that. My eyes rushed over that as an alternative CPU I think.
8Gb of vram in a 5070?? The hell
Yeah as soon as I saw that I went from “must buy” to “eh, maybe if my current laptop breaks”. I mean, I know the iGPU is basically the same as the desktop, but with slower memory it won’t really compare.
Maybe next generation.
I wanted a new touchpad spacer. The current ones are garbage.
Dis a pointed!
Nirav talks about that in the other video they released today. They’re working on it and in the meantime there is a DIY solution.
… I really love Framework overall, but I don’t need a decent CPU/GPU at all … I wish they made an ultra budget mobo with some shitty N200 or whatever is cheapest.
Hopefully their RISC-V plans develop further.
Fuck me that price… I know it’s a great company, but the framework-premium is like $1000-1500 on that hardware
AMD 370 w/ the 5070, 2TB drive and 64GB of ram is like $5000 CDN
You can get a similar specs from Lenovo or Asus for under $3500
I’d still like to get one, but… I can’t justify that. It’s literally $1000 for just the Nvidia 5070 graphics module, and it’s still only 8gb of VRAM. That’s more expensive than a desktop 5070($800ish) with 12GB of VRAM and you can get a desktop 5070ti for only $1100 which has 16gb of VRAM.
I really like framework, but I can’t put that much money extra towards one or it’s literally going to be coming out of my food budget.
I’m due for an upgrade to my 3060 laptop, but… I just can’t do it.
It’s never really been about upfront price so much as longevity. If you can avoid a laptop upgrade e.g. every 5 years by upgrading just a few components instead, it’ll last you longer and cost you less longterm.
Fundamentally, the cheapest way to build electronics is with very little modularity. Making parts swappable is more complicated to design and needs more components to be included. Both drive up the cost of the product.
No sweat if it’s too expensive or that’s not what you care about (ok, though you should sweat not caring about longevity), but making it all about the price is sort of missing the point. Capitalism is a tool for improving our lives but is not the only tool for that.
Longevity has been a bit of a strange argument to me, I already re-use my old laptops. My two previous devices are in active use by my kids. My devices usually get 10+ total years each.
That’s amazing but I think you’re in the minority
You can save a bit by buying the RAM and SSD elsewhere (and not needing the expanded graphics helps lmao).
But yeah they’re still a bit much, however I appreciate the reparability, and now think every manufacturer should adopt the ports so I can goddamn choose to have my 3.5mm back when I need but swap it to an extra USB-C (or A, MicrosSD, SD, Display, eth, etc) when I don’t.
Too lazy to dig for it myself but would love to see someone do a deep dive on what an “upgrade” actually would be.
How many of the gen 1 parts are just plug and play in a gen2 chassis/mobo? How much of the gen2 parts can be put into the old gen 1 case? The upgraded heatpipes already make that questionable.
I am obviously not the biggest fan of Framework Corp (and I genuinely think they are contributing to significantly more e-waste than traditional “upgrade” paths). But this also feels like a good use case to study for anyone who actually thinks they are going to meaningfully upgrade their laptop every 5-10 years without just buying a new laptop.
Because didn’t the 16 just get a pretty massive (possibly backwards compatibility breaking?) design upgrade like last year? I remember all the tech youtubers (except GN for whatever reason…) talking about the adjustable keyboard layout for people who hate their wrists.
Which is also one of the dark secrets of desktop PCs. Okay, AM4 was fucking insane and that STILL gets new CPUs? But, generally speaking, if you are the kind of person who “upgrades” your PC every 6-10 years (so roughly a console gen)? Your “upgrade” is a full rebuild more often than not but you re-use that nvme so it still counts.
The heatpipes are a nonissue, I mean maybe they’re going to do a surprise heel turn with this new mainboard but the laptop 13 previously got the same heatpipe upgrade and it’s completely contained to the mainboard, it’s just as modular as before and you can switch between the parts. All the same parts work, it just makes that particular mainboard more efficient at cooling. Plus the parts they added in the 13 that they’re now bringing to the 16 are backwards compatible. The new graphics cards were announced to be backwards compatible too.
Also, the laptop 16 launched with the adjustable keyboard, but it only came out a year ago so maybe you’re thinking of Youtubers comparing it to the 13.
So far Framework has a great track record of not breaking backwards compatibility.
EDIT: You can buy the new mainboard on its own to upgrade your old laptop. I was hedging my statement before, but it’s definitely backwards compatible.
Oh Danny boy, the heatpipes, the heatpipes are blowing, From bay to bay, across the motherboard.
