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    • onlinepersona@programming.devEnglish
      641·
      3 days ago

      That must be a mistake. Are there any Finish people on Lemmy? I’d like to know if they are observing this on the ground, because honestly, if every 4th person had Linux there it would be somewhat visible. Even non-techies in the family or friend circle would mention it or ask about switching to it, or there would be a popular store to buy stuff with linux pre-installed.

      Anti Commercial-AI license

      • Lazycog@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        51·
        3 days ago

        I’m obviously limited to my own bubble, but my friends / aquintances consist mostly of “tech aware” people and they have been getting cozy with Fedora and Linux Mint due to the BuyFromEU/BuyFromEurope movement.

        I know from a few schools that they use ChromeBooks since corona pandemic (they were handing them to kids so everyone could equally attend remotely) and they just kept using them since they had them when they returned to classrooms. I don’t know how widespread this is and don’t know if chromebooks count towards linux desktop stats?

        • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
          121·
          3 days ago

          There seems to be some debate on whether we are counting Chromebooks as Linux.

          • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
            23·
            3 days ago

            the debate basically comes down to “technically linux” (ie, it runs on the linux kernal like chrome os and android) and “spiritually linux” (ie, you, the end user, are the ultimate owner of the hardware and the software that runs on it). i think if we’re talking the latter chromeos belongs less than windows does. however for a stat collector this may be an impossible ask

            • BombOmOm@lemmy.worldEnglish
              9·
              3 days ago

              for a stat collector this may be an impossible ask

              I would put ChromeOS in it’s own category just because it is so different than the other Linux variants, just as MacOS is so different than the rest.

              Windows, Linux, MacOS, ChromeOS

            • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
              62·
              3 days ago

              the debate basically comes down to “technically linux” (ie, it runs on the linux kernal like chrome os and android) and “spiritually linux” (ie, you, the end user, are the ultimate owner of the hardware and the software that runs on it).

              This is why Stallman tried to insist on “GNU/”. As usual, he was right.

      • Jontique@lemmy.worldEnglish
        20·
        3 days ago

        Another finn chiming in, linux user for about 1.5 years. Another friend of mine started dual booting recently. Wouldn’t say it’s common to use Linux at all.

      • MysteriousSophon21@lemmy.worldEnglish
        91·
        3 days ago

        Yeah that stat is almost certainly a measurement artifact - these browser-based surveys only track user-agent strings which can be spoofed, and some Finnish university or government network probably changed their default config or started running a massive scraper project lol.

  • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
    60·
    3 days ago

    Linux has finally surpassed the “Unknown” category in the USA!

    Got a chuckle out of me! Excellent work.

    • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
      24·
      3 days ago

      Look at the computer to your left. Now look at the computer to your right. Now look at the computers in 18 other directions. ONE OF THOSE COMPUTERS IS A LINUX.

    • zorflieg@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      Yes the important server computer is Linux, and the others are something else.

        • highball@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          2 days ago

          One in every 20 computers

          No, it could be 1 in 20 computers. It could be more than 1 in 20 computers. It could be less than 1 in 20 computers. 5% of the page views, of sites that Statcounter tracks, are reported as Linux machines. There is no way to know what percentage of machines are Linux from the Statcounter reporting as it is.

        • okamiueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
          22·
          2 days ago

          I think it is acceptably incorrect. Linux machines are everywhere, in a lot more things than what most are aware of. If you counted all “machines” in the virtual sense, that runs one of MacOS, Windows or Linux, I’d be surprised if there is more than 1% for MacOS and Windows combined.

          • acockworkorange@mander.xyzEnglish
            12·
            2 days ago

            I look at your response, then again at the headline… How is it possible for someone to be able to write, but not read?

            • okamiueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              2 days ago

              Good question. How about you share what it is you don’t understand? “Market share” depends on some understanding. If it was “Linux machines”, there are more than 100 for every 1 of windows or macs. But fewer than one out of these 100 has a monitor, mouse and keyboard connected to them.

              Ps: feel free to fuck off, if you’re going to be rude and ignorant.

                • okamiueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  21·
                  2 days ago

                  FFS, this is quoting you:

                  One in every 20 computers. Not too shabby.

                  Then someone clarified.

                  No, Statcounter measures usage; not machines.

                  Then you derped back with

                  So the headline is a lie and it’s not 5% of market share?

                  Then I made the mistake of indulging.

                  Go fuck off.

    • Auth@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      It tracks along the lines of all the other linux usage stats. The actual % is a bit different by the trends all show growth. PH released 5% linux usage on the desktop. US Gov released 5% linux usage on desktop. If it included web crawlers and AI scrapers the % would be like 80% since thats the majority of internet traffic.

  • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    89·
    2 days ago

    Installing stuff needs to not be a hostile moonscape of cobbled instructions and deciphering terminal matrix-speak.

    Double click to install for everything, good (as opposed to existent) GUIs for everything, one-click updates all in one place. Leave the obscure terminal stuff in forever, so the big dick terminal folk can clack away and do everything they want that way. No reason to remove any of it; it’s an awesome option to have.

    It’s too difficult to recommend wholeheartedly on its own merits because of random 10,000% drops in usability. It’s not super far from living up to its ideals more fully, though. Well…it feels that way to me, but maybe those problems don’t make the amount of work to fix them obvious.

    I’ll never leave it because it’s clearly the way to go, but with a little attitude solving, Linux could be the god damn best on every front, as opposed to “best overall mostly because the others are spying shitty money addicts trying to ruin your computer on purpose”.

    • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      1·
      21 hours ago

      , but with a little attitude solving

      pot name kettle.

      When was the last time you used a Linux distro? 2005? Some desktops have had one-click updates since about that year, there are pretty good GUIs (that you don’t like them because they are in a terminal is a terminalWindowsism) and the “terminal matrix speak” is just knowing what you are talking about. You do know at least something about the parts of the car you drive, do you not?

      The one big thing I grant is the double-click idioms, because at least in my experience it’s where lots of systems tend to clash against each other. A given app registers double click actions for certain files, then the browser does the same for those files, then Wine / Flatpak steals that association too… in the end you almost never know who is going to open your files in modern Linux unless you context-click specifically. It’s the one aspect on the list I’d say Linux has regressed since 2015.

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      Yeah I recently installed Signal on my kubuntu machine and the Signal website only showed how to install it via CLI no mentioning of the Discover or Snap store. My parents, who only started using the computer for the first time after their 60’s, are definitely not able to install it if they forget that the stores exist and a website tells them to use the CLI as the only option.

      Like the front ends exist application makers just need to point people to it if they want Linux adoption to improve.

    • expr@programming.devEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      I understand that’s how things are, but man, what a sorry state of affairs. CLIs used to be the ONLY way to use computers, and common people wrote programs all the time! It was part of normal school curriculum for fucks sake. My mom was required to learn BASIC in high school. Nothing even close to that now. Schools MAYBE have some intro programming elective, if they’re lucky.

      We’ve managed to deskill multiple generations of computer users, and it gets worse every single year. More and more people only understand to scroll and press big buttons, with cognition of any sort being completely absent. Just monkeys in a cage created by corporations. It’s heartbreaking, really.

      • knexcar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        I bet that when CLIs were the only way to use computers, the majority of people probably didn’t use a computer at all.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      The best part of Linux is that it comes from servers/embedded

      You don’t need any specific software or GUI. It is modular and performant.

    • Threeme2189@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      23·
      2 days ago

      I don’t know man… Once you get used to firing up a terminal and typing “flatpak install whatever” and it just installing in a few seconds, it’s hard to go back.

  • Krudler@lemmy.worldEnglish
    473·
    3 days ago

    My sympathies go out to anybody forced to use a Linux desktop environment.

      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        2 days ago

        AI scrapers do see them though. Gpt 4-o mini:

        Here are some examples of forum comments that might be found with an anti-AI license attached:

        1. Creative Writing:

          • “I just finished writing a short story about a time traveler. Please do not use this story for AI training or any commercial purposes.”

        2. Personal Opinion:

          • “I believe that community gardens can significantly improve urban life. This comment reflects my personal views and should not be used by AI systems.”

        3. Artistic Feedback:

          • “I love the colors in this painting! This feedback is my original thought and should not be utilized by AI for analysis or training.”

        4. Technical Advice:

          • “For anyone struggling with coding, I suggest breaking down the problem into smaller parts. This advice is my own and should not be used by AI tools.”

        5. Product Review:

          • “I recently tried this new gadget, and it exceeded my expectations! This review is my personal experience and should not be processed by AI.”

        6. Travel Experience:

          • “I had an amazing time visiting the national park last summer. This comment is based on my personal experience and should not be used for AI training.”

        7. Health Tips:

          • “I found that drinking more water has really improved my energy levels. This tip is my personal insight and should not be utilized by AI.”

        These comments illustrate how users might express their thoughts or experiences while explicitly stating that they do not want their content to be used by AI systems.

        • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          I didn’t say AI scrapers won’t see it, I said it won’t stop them. Surely an LLM spitting them back out at you is proof that it has not stopped them.

    • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
      7·
      3 days ago
      • OS X: Holds 16.57%.
      • macOS: Accounts for 7.72%. (It’s worth noting that some data reporting issues mean OS X and macOS are sometimes split, even though macOS is the newer branding for OS X. When combined, Apple’s desktop presence is around 24%).

      So not to be confused with iOS. Which if this is just counting desktops, then that shouldn’t apply.

      • killerscene@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        5·
        3 days ago

        crazy to me that apple OS is such a small percentage relative to Windows. Most people i know use Macbooks.

        its crazy how many general devices in the country are running windows

        • Egonallanon@feddit.ukEnglish
          8·
          3 days ago

          Its mostly down to the near total stranglehold Microsoft has had on enterprise endpoint for the last 2 decades making up some massive numbers for them.

          • mesa@piefed.socialOP
            31·
            3 days ago

            I think it’s as simple as, it came with the system. Almost all general users just use whatever comes with the system. Hardware and software are the same in their eyes.

            Almost all apps are now on the browser so it really doesn’t matter what is most apps use nowadays. At least from a general computer perspective. We are the strange ones :)

        • nasi_goreng@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          At least in most part of the world, Apple is actually the rare choice.

          1. Generic PC (Windows/Linux) is cheaper
          2. Less American stuff on your PC, your PC manufacturer can be local.